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First cycle in years ... Winstrol inj with Test e

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I'm an old fart who's lifted off and on since a teen and after three solid years back in the gym I've kicked it up a notch over the past six months. Felt ready to try a cycle for the first time in years. There's so much more info and products out now I have had to relearn everything. I have an order placed and am currently planning the following ...

Winstrol injectable 50mg every other day for 20 days

Along with ...

Test e 250mg weekly for 10 weeks

This is similar to the relatively short/mild cycles we used to do back in the day with Winstrol V and adding any basic test. I'll be watching caloric intake to get some of the post-50 flab off while maintaining or even increasing lean muscle (hopefully). Even though I never had gyno issues back in the day, I'll probably start Nolvadex at the end of the Winny to the end of the cycle then do a three-week PCT.

Will be moving to a three day split with cardio daily and on off days. Due to joint issues I keep my reps up in the higher range with a heavy day once per month.

Am still working out the diet. One thing I know for sure is that if the diet is out of whack you're just wasting money trying to cycle. Lotsa work to do here before the meds arrive.

I'm 55 yo 6'1" and 202 lbs this morning. Not sure of my BF% but I'm relatively trim. Just have a bit of love handles and minimal old guy belly flab. Will get labs done before starting. I know from labs last year that my T is already low, as expected for my age.

Any input greatly appreciated.

Roid Noid's picture

same ole same ole.....sml

Phlipper's picture

Can't do clen .... my system reacts weird to it. I wish I could, some days my ass is dragging. But after checking with my Endo bud I added the Win to my cycle. I also switched from the cypionate to enanthate just to see if anything changed - ie progress slowed, etc. Got plenty of both so I'm seeing which works best for me.

I'm running the Win same as you .... 50 eod. Was surprised how much pip I get from it. But the results make the pain tolerable lol. After only three weeks with it added I can tell a diff. Lifts took another little exponential jump and fat burning seems to have kicked up a notch or three. I'd swear my endurance on the heavy bag has increased, too. Def noticed when it was added. No noticeable joint pain over what was already there.

Probably halfway thru the overall cycle. Started getting the sore nipple thing so my endo upped the Arimidex. Got another 6 weeks to go before my next labs but everything seems good. No 'bacne', baby nuts, nor extra hair falling out or growing the wrong places. Lol

Let me know how the Win works for you.

Phlipper's picture

Update for anyone searching later like I tend to do ....

Been lifting off and on since the 90s, ran light cycles in the 90s also. Been clean 15+ years and just doing circuit routines since turning 50 yo five years ago.

Now working with an MD colleague and just running Test C to dip my toes back in. I was about 202 with 23% bf after going to a split and beginning to supplement protein and get my diet on track. Last summer test was 262 and I could feel it finally. One year later after roughly 30 days on a two-day split and loads of protein my test was 602 naturally. Began 400mg cyp June 20th and could actually feel it within days ... constant wood ... energy for days ... etc. Not the usual four week wait like when I was younger. My labs drawn four days later showed test level at 1900! Also estrogen way up.

Currently I'm 208 and lifts going way up already and belly fat starting to noticeably reduce. I still use only moderate wt due to old injuries, 56yo ligaments and tendons etc. Use what works for me: high rep squats, higher rep everything with negatives accentuated, forced reps, strip sets, etc. Anything to maximize intensity while minimizing risk of injury. I hit the heavy bag and spar for HIIT cardio. Incline treadmill for calves and additional cardio.

Protocol .... 400mg test c weekly, on Aromasin x first two weeks now Arimidex 2x wk. Also on Pregnenelone supplement added to the usual multi, fish oil, etc. Getting full labs every 90 days.

Will post updates for anyone digging around and considering jumping in/jumping BACK in.

professer X's picture

If i was in your shoes id bump the test up to about 500mgs a week and grab proviron at 50mg a day.. you will add lean mass and with diet in check you can get leaner also.. pretty safe cycle with minimal risk. Shouldnt need anything for estrogen at thia level of test and proviron in there. Winny will enhance your joint problems. My old skateboarding injurys and battle wounds all come back revisit anytime ive used winny. And if you do this at your age forget pct.. you would need to consider signin up for trt.. because after a 10week cycle your hormones will be so outta wack youll lose whatever u gained and end up close to where u started. 55yr old natty test cannot compet with test levels of 2000+ which is what 500mg of test should create. So say your at like 400 now, you blast up to 2000 for 10 weeks and grow some good mass, then as test levels plummet to probly 150 at the end even with pct no way you will hold that mass, may even lose more than where you are now.

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jtomey77's picture

Agreed. As a 40+ guy, I think work the basics of Test and get labs done to evaluate E, SHBG etc. so that ancillaries like Proviron, AIs etc. can be properly applied.

Winny is a joint killer, I think its a young man's Rx.

stairmaster's picture

Stay healthy and painfree and don't touch winny, diet is the key to success!

Phlipper's picture

I had something fall into my lap and started a lite test c run last week. Did 400 mg Thursday and will just do 200mg per week for 12 with Arimidex, even though probably not needed. Have Nolva standing by for PCT, and was offered HCG but declined for now. I never ran heavy back in the day and never ran into problems but now I'm older so who knows?

Finally touched base with the company I ordered from and if the test e actually comes I'll save it for another run this Winter.

Got diet planning and tracking with a phone app and shooting for 2500 cals per day with 250 gms protien, along with the usual supplements. I'd forgotten what a pain it is to be eating tuna and egg whites all day. Do guys still use desicated liver nowadays?

We'll see ....

Phlipper's picture

I'm an eight year Physician's Assistant so no ... I don't know anything about that medical stuff.

Drock_357's picture

Well then since you’re a pa, you should KNOW not to take any ai without confirmation from bloodwork....
Check yourself a bit here bud, these guys are trying to help you out.

kodiakGRRL's picture

good points Rusty

DfromPhilly's picture

Well he’s a PA so he’s smarter than us. You know, like ‘taking an AI for no reason’ smart. They must learn that in their 7th year.

Phlipper's picture

I work in emergency medicine so I've had to hit the books lately on chem and A&P to relearn a lot of stuff. Came here to add to that knowledge but just found a ton of Internetitis.

The internet brings out everyone's inner dickhead and I guess steroids sends it over the top.

But you guys enjoy yourselves. Hope you stay healthy.

I'm out.

DfromPhilly's picture

Listen man. No one is trying to be a dick. We’re looking out for you (in our own special way). You should never take an AI if you don’t need it, and it’s somethinf you said you’d do.

I’m sure you know a lot about medical practices, but they unfortunately don’t teach safe AAS use in medical school. Or on the job for that matter. I’m sure you’re aware of the dangers of low e2 for an extended period of time. If you aren’t check out the pub Med studies. We don’t want you fucking yourself up and want you to stay healthy.

Using winny at ur age (and injectable EOD at that), using an AI when you possibly don’t need it, running a cycle at this point in life and thinking you’ll bounce back... all of these things aren’t advised and experienced AAS users would recommend against for good reason. They’re not smart moves. You got a lotta good advice on this thread that looks out for your best interest. We can come off as dicks but we actually care about helping people stay safe.

I wasn’t trying to disrespect your profession or intelligence, but simply point out that your knowledge unfortunately doesn’t apply to this situation.

Be safe man. I hope you dont take any of this personal we’re just trying to help.

If you want advice that will keep you safe, you’re in the right spot. If you just want a co-signer I would check out another forum.

kodiakGRRL's picture

it appears he was a bit sensitive to the delivery method of our caring

DfromPhilly's picture

Yea... sucks when that happens. well, we can’t say we didn’t try!

kodiakGRRL's picture

i honestly don't see any real issues in any of the answers he was given and i have seen way harsher responses than what he got .. go figure

DfromPhilly's picture

Agreed on both fronts. He should see what happens when someone asks reckless questions.

kodiakGRRL's picture

lol I agree

kodiakGRRL's picture

They don't teach shit about hormones in general and they don't address TRT issues at ALL for men or women. most endos' (who are supposed to be the experts don't have a clue) and steriods are still discussed as how you'll kill yourself (what they don't mention is that the killer hormones are synthetic) ...

kodiakGRRL's picture

very true cushion I think they just never thought much of hormomes or what they can do and relegated them to some pituitary function and called it a day. I had a nurse once ask why I was taking estrogen (my system had shut down) and i told her I wanted to kill people and she said you should be taking an antidepressant to which I yelled at her : i'm not fucking depressed!!!"

Eagles 2013's picture

As some members said below at your age I wouldn't touch AAS unless you are willing, able and prepared to go on TRT.... coming from someone who nuked how natural test levels in my early 30's and know all too well.

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press1's picture

You had a Spurt pre-teen phase?! Lol

press1's picture

I don't think you got my crude joke did you buddy - you are too pleasant for your own good!

bundlz's picture

No disrespect sir but maybe HGH is a better option for your age to use it with a trt dose of test .. grtz bundlz

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dextetherdog's picture

Winstrol will cause troubles here, only would recommend this for competitive athletes pre competiotion phase, otherwise would not touch it.
IMO Testosterone and Boldenone would be the best way forward. Would not touch any orals neither

kodiakGRRL's picture

good thinking there on the winstrol ....it can really screw some shit up

DfromPhilly's picture

X2. Well said ++

johnmarshall12's picture

Everyone is warning you about the Winny and with good reason. If you have joint problems its a "No no". You could do what Press is saying and switch to anavar, or Tball.

Drock_357's picture

Like said below, I think the Winny mite be a hindrance considering age and joint conditions....test alone with the proper diet will do wonders
I myself am in the over 50 club and test is definitely best!...not even interested in joint drying compounds at this stage of the game. Test / provi and good sleep/ diet keeps this ol bean happy

press1's picture

Yeh I wouldn't bother with the Stano Inject at first - Its effective but very harsh on joints and muscle cramps etc For the results you are after if you must have a second compound how about Anavar?