First cycle in years ... Winstrol inj with Test e
I'm an old fart who's lifted off and on since a teen and after three solid years back in the gym I've kicked it up a notch over the past six months. Felt ready to try a cycle for the first time in years. There's so much more info and products out now I have had to relearn everything. I have an order placed and am currently planning the following ...
Winstrol injectable 50mg every other day for 20 days
Along with ...
Test e 250mg weekly for 10 weeks
This is similar to the relatively short/mild cycles we used to do back in the day with Winstrol V and adding any basic test. I'll be watching caloric intake to get some of the post-50 flab off while maintaining or even increasing lean muscle (hopefully). Even though I never had gyno issues back in the day, I'll probably start Nolvadex at the end of the Winny to the end of the cycle then do a three-week PCT.
Will be moving to a three day split with cardio daily and on off days. Due to joint issues I keep my reps up in the higher range with a heavy day once per month.
Am still working out the diet. One thing I know for sure is that if the diet is out of whack you're just wasting money trying to cycle. Lotsa work to do here before the meds arrive.
I'm 55 yo 6'1" and 202 lbs this morning. Not sure of my BF% but I'm relatively trim. Just have a bit of love handles and minimal old guy belly flab. Will get labs done before starting. I know from labs last year that my T is already low, as expected for my age.
Any input greatly appreciated.
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same ole same ole.....sml
RustyhookerNothing changes bro
fmenaI am 40 years old and started the same cycle with a couple of additions.
Winny 50mg every other day
Test E 500mg / week
Clen 120mg max for 4 weeks.
Cycle Protect Pills (Remember we are 40+ already)
Lots of water
Labs done to check E
I am seeing a lot of results. Stronger, Leaner, and I can now see some abs...Lol
It is working wonderfully.
Can't do clen .... my system reacts weird to it. I wish I could, some days my ass is dragging. But after checking with my Endo bud I added the Win to my cycle. I also switched from the cypionate to enanthate just to see if anything changed - ie progress slowed, etc. Got plenty of both so I'm seeing which works best for me.
I'm running the Win same as you .... 50 eod. Was surprised how much pip I get from it. But the results make the pain tolerable lol. After only three weeks with it added I can tell a diff. Lifts took another little exponential jump and fat burning seems to have kicked up a notch or three. I'd swear my endurance on the heavy bag has increased, too. Def noticed when it was added. No noticeable joint pain over what was already there.
Probably halfway thru the overall cycle. Started getting the sore nipple thing so my endo upped the Arimidex. Got another 6 weeks to go before my next labs but everything seems good. No 'bacne', baby nuts, nor extra hair falling out or growing the wrong places. Lol
Let me know how the Win works for you.
RustyhookerReally? 40?
Age: 36
Height: 5'4
Weight: 185
BF:
Winny eod is goofy. Short half life
Cycle protect pills? Whaaat?
nitetricks73I agree minimum once a day. I would split it twice a day on winstrol.
RustyhookerIts a lil odd all the way around. Lol
Update for anyone searching later like I tend to do ....
Been lifting off and on since the 90s, ran light cycles in the 90s also. Been clean 15+ years and just doing circuit routines since turning 50 yo five years ago.
Now working with an MD colleague and just running Test C to dip my toes back in. I was about 202 with 23% bf after going to a split and beginning to supplement protein and get my diet on track. Last summer test was 262 and I could feel it finally. One year later after roughly 30 days on a two-day split and loads of protein my test was 602 naturally. Began 400mg cyp June 20th and could actually feel it within days ... constant wood ... energy for days ... etc. Not the usual four week wait like when I was younger. My labs drawn four days later showed test level at 1900! Also estrogen way up.
Currently I'm 208 and lifts going way up already and belly fat starting to noticeably reduce. I still use only moderate wt due to old injuries, 56yo ligaments and tendons etc. Use what works for me: high rep squats, higher rep everything with negatives accentuated, forced reps, strip sets, etc. Anything to maximize intensity while minimizing risk of injury. I hit the heavy bag and spar for HIIT cardio. Incline treadmill for calves and additional cardio.
Protocol .... 400mg test c weekly, on Aromasin x first two weeks now Arimidex 2x wk. Also on Pregnenelone supplement added to the usual multi, fish oil, etc. Getting full labs every 90 days.
Will post updates for anyone digging around and considering jumping in/jumping BACK in.
If i was in your shoes id bump the test up to about 500mgs a week and grab proviron at 50mg a day.. you will add lean mass and with diet in check you can get leaner also.. pretty safe cycle with minimal risk. Shouldnt need anything for estrogen at thia level of test and proviron in there. Winny will enhance your joint problems. My old skateboarding injurys and battle wounds all come back revisit anytime ive used winny. And if you do this at your age forget pct.. you would need to consider signin up for trt.. because after a 10week cycle your hormones will be so outta wack youll lose whatever u gained and end up close to where u started. 55yr old natty test cannot compet with test levels of 2000+ which is what 500mg of test should create. So say your at like 400 now, you blast up to 2000 for 10 weeks and grow some good mass, then as test levels plummet to probly 150 at the end even with pct no way you will hold that mass, may even lose more than where you are now.
Agreed. As a 40+ guy, I think work the basics of Test and get labs done to evaluate E, SHBG etc. so that ancillaries like Proviron, AIs etc. can be properly applied.
Winny is a joint killer, I think its a young man's Rx.
Stay healthy and painfree and don't touch winny, diet is the key to success!
nitetricks73Yep , that stuff hurts. Stick with 500mg test , feel good and great gains. Add some DBOL and its great.
I had something fall into my lap and started a lite test c run last week. Did 400 mg Thursday and will just do 200mg per week for 12 with Arimidex, even though probably not needed. Have Nolva standing by for PCT, and was offered HCG but declined for now. I never ran heavy back in the day and never ran into problems but now I'm older so who knows?
Finally touched base with the company I ordered from and if the test e actually comes I'll save it for another run this Winter.
Got diet planning and tracking with a phone app and shooting for 2500 cals per day with 250 gms protien, along with the usual supplements. I'd forgotten what a pain it is to be eating tuna and egg whites all day. Do guys still use desicated liver nowadays?
We'll see ....
Rustyhooker200mg per week for 12 with Arimidex, even though probably not needed.
You realize that low estro stops all muscle growth, hardens arteries, builds up cardio issues etc etc etc
So just pop a few just because? Already eith uou having low test levels means less estro conversion normally. Ever research how old dudes get heart attacks? Or the events leading to it?
I'm an eight year Physician's Assistant so no ... I don't know anything about that medical stuff.
RustyhookerSo youre on here asking questions that show no medical expertise at all yet you claim to be a PA. Then since a PA is not an endocrinologist and no formal training as such, ya might sit on the porch and learn before you expire.
Well then since you’re a pa, you should KNOW not to take any ai without confirmation from bloodwork....
Check yourself a bit here bud, these guys are trying to help you out.
good points Rusty
RustyhookerI dont think hes listening though.
Well he’s a PA so he’s smarter than us. You know, like ‘taking an AI for no reason’ smart. They must learn that in their 7th year.
RustyhookerMy premed classes covered hormones too. 5 minutes and 3 pages. Which is why its referred to the Phd endocrinologist in a formal setting. Lmao!
I work in emergency medicine so I've had to hit the books lately on chem and A&P to relearn a lot of stuff. Came here to add to that knowledge but just found a ton of Internetitis.
The internet brings out everyone's inner dickhead and I guess steroids sends it over the top.
But you guys enjoy yourselves. Hope you stay healthy.
I'm out.
Rustyhooker'everyone's inner dickhead '
Listen man. No one is trying to be a dick. We’re looking out for you (in our own special way). You should never take an AI if you don’t need it, and it’s somethinf you said you’d do.
I’m sure you know a lot about medical practices, but they unfortunately don’t teach safe AAS use in medical school. Or on the job for that matter. I’m sure you’re aware of the dangers of low e2 for an extended period of time. If you aren’t check out the pub Med studies. We don’t want you fucking yourself up and want you to stay healthy.
Using winny at ur age (and injectable EOD at that), using an AI when you possibly don’t need it, running a cycle at this point in life and thinking you’ll bounce back... all of these things aren’t advised and experienced AAS users would recommend against for good reason. They’re not smart moves. You got a lotta good advice on this thread that looks out for your best interest. We can come off as dicks but we actually care about helping people stay safe.
I wasn’t trying to disrespect your profession or intelligence, but simply point out that your knowledge unfortunately doesn’t apply to this situation.
Be safe man. I hope you dont take any of this personal we’re just trying to help.
If you want advice that will keep you safe, you’re in the right spot. If you just want a co-signer I would check out another forum.
it appears he was a bit sensitive to the delivery method of our caring
Yea... sucks when that happens. well, we can’t say we didn’t try!
i honestly don't see any real issues in any of the answers he was given and i have seen way harsher responses than what he got .. go figure
Agreed on both fronts. He should see what happens when someone asks reckless questions.
lol I agree
Pcushion“I’m sure you know a lot about medical practices, but they unfortunately don’t teach safe AAS use in medical school.”
And that’s the most truth I have seen in a while. That’s exactly the problem we as AAS user stumble on. They want to just sweep AAS use under the rug and act like it doesn't happen. Yet they will invest all kinds of time and money into narcotics rehabilitation as well as studies into there effects on the body. Maybe if violence, robbery, prostitution where common side effects it’s would be different. Death due to heart failure obviously hasn’t been enough to turn the medical community’s eye on safe AAS use.
They don't teach shit about hormones in general and they don't address TRT issues at ALL for men or women. most endos' (who are supposed to be the experts don't have a clue) and steriods are still discussed as how you'll kill yourself (what they don't mention is that the killer hormones are synthetic) ...
PcushionIt’s a complete shame. There could be so much done in terms of harm reduction if they actually gave a shit. I personally don’t get it. Hormones are fascinating all of them. I will say with the whole gender reassignment movement that’s happening we are starting to see more studies come out about trt and testosterone in general so I am grateful for that. Nevertheless that doesn’t even begin to address the questions we as AAS users have. Steroids seem to be the only drug in the world that chemist created and just left it at that. It’s like they walked up dropped the chemical formula for trenbolone on the table and said, “we call this tren.” Test subject responded with, “Well can you tell me about” Chemist responded, “it’s powerful.” Test subject responds “well what are dosing parameters and side effects?” Chemist responds “hell if I know” and walked off....
very true cushion I think they just never thought much of hormomes or what they can do and relegated them to some pituitary function and called it a day. I had a nurse once ask why I was taking estrogen (my system had shut down) and i told her I wanted to kill people and she said you should be taking an antidepressant to which I yelled at her : i'm not fucking depressed!!!"
RustyhookerBoom!!! Someone who knows ^^^^. Heres another magic pill with sides like suicide, depression etc but didnt fix the real issue. Just numbed you up and the "dr" got a paid trip to hawaii for scripts bonus
PcushionEgg whites, steak, chcken are my protein sources I consume daily. Fish I have once may be twice week. Old fashioned oats, sweet potatoes, brown rice are my main carb sources except after a working I throw a hyperglycemic carb with my protein shake. I snack on nuts throughout the day and I eat a lot of fruit. Don’t hold yourself to just one or two items. Swap it up and have fun. You won’t last trying to eat the same stuff day after day.
My advice to you on the whole eating is think about what your eating but don’t make yourself miserable man. We are not pros and have little to gain except self satisfaction. I eat 6 times a day. Its not the size of the meal is not as important as the continuous supply of food. Take three meals and divide it into 6. Also me personally I don’t count calories I log protein and carb amounts. Never heard of desiccated liver and by the sound of it glad I haven’t.
Run labs before starting that Adex you bottom out estrogen and it’s going suck.
As some members said below at your age I wouldn't touch AAS unless you are willing, able and prepared to go on TRT.... coming from someone who nuked how natural test levels in my early 30's and know all too well.
basskiller89I had a growth spurt in my pre teen phase lol
You had a Spurt pre-teen phase?! Lol
basskiller89I was never very tall, my earlier years I grew the fastest
I don't think you got my crude joke did you buddy - you are too pleasant for your own good!
basskiller89I understood your crude joke lol I didn't want to be rude and you think anything bad
No disrespect sir but maybe HGH is a better option for your age to use it with a trt dose of test .. grtz bundlz
Winstrol will cause troubles here, only would recommend this for competitive athletes pre competiotion phase, otherwise would not touch it.
IMO Testosterone and Boldenone would be the best way forward. Would not touch any orals neither
good thinking there on the winstrol ....it can really screw some shit up
PcushionYou already have low testosterone and at 55 that’s not uncommon but shutting down what’s left of your bodies natural production isn’t going to make that situation better. The odds of you responding to PCT are not that great. You have to make a decision to go on trt or not. Your risking what little exogenous testosterone production you have over 250mg a week. Might as well just find a doctor, get your diet where you want it, see how you respond to trt and then re-evaluate your situation. You have been getting by on very little test imagine how the high end to normal could feel.
X2. Well said ++
Everyone is warning you about the Winny and with good reason. If you have joint problems its a "No no". You could do what Press is saying and switch to anavar, or Tball.
Like said below, I think the Winny mite be a hindrance considering age and joint conditions....test alone with the proper diet will do wonders
I myself am in the over 50 club and test is definitely best!...not even interested in joint drying compounds at this stage of the game. Test / provi and good sleep/ diet keeps this ol bean happy
Yeh I wouldn't bother with the Stano Inject at first - Its effective but very harsh on joints and muscle cramps etc For the results you are after if you must have a second compound how about Anavar?
RustyhookerMight skip the winny. After time that pain is forgotten. Lol! Plus if youre trimming thats plenty of test to hold muscle, clean diet and bump up cardio. Check bloods round week 5 to see even if you need estro control. Privatemdlabs
Whats your pct like? How low was the testosterone levels prior to start?