+ 1 First Cycle Critics
My friend and I are running this cycle (with the blessing from all of you) it's our first ever cycle and we want to get it right.
Age: 23
Height: 6'0/6'1
weight: 83kg/85kg (187 pounds)
BF%: Around 12
Been going to the gym for 5 years, eat as clean as possible (with exception to weaknesses to certain cravings), don't drink or smoke, and sleep 8-9 hours a night, blood work appears normal, and no allergies (Just slight fears of needles!)
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E per week (2 injections of 250mg, Saturday Morning Tuesday night)
Weeks 1-14: 12.5mg of Aromasin EOD (E3D if no sides, ED if sides)
Weeks 4-14: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test)
Week 15-16: 40mg Nolva ED (Clomid at 100mg ED if needed)
Week 17-18: 20mg Nolva ED (Clomid at 50mg ED if needed)
There are a lot of differing opinions out there but I would love to know if we can drop Clomid (or Nolva) because with the hCG it seems like overkill, but more than happy to be wrong! We can also cut the cycle back to 10 weeks on the test but want to get the most out of it.
Also I'm not sure weather or not to still be hitting the gym during PCT as it helps raise natural test, then rest a week or so after PCT or to take it easy on PCT?
One last thing, I find it funny that in the quest to be more of a man, you have the potential to grow boobs!
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Sick, love the advice! I had Clomid optional because TRTBlastcruise in HOW TO RUN A CYCLE (Sticky) had just nolva, I'll drop hCG but if aromasin is overkilll then what isn't? like should we replace it with adex nova or clomid, or just keep aromasin on hand in case of sides?
Test replacement therapy is very different because theres no gonads to refire up to life. So protochols aree different. Keep that ai on hand though. If you get itchy/sensitive nips then add it in. Aromasin is great at estro control but don't want low estro. About week four as the test kicks in if the nips feel funky...add it.
Sorry.....posted same time as Vike........ 0.25 every 3rd day is nipp sensitivity if using adex. Can bump to .25eod if needed
LOL :)...Same answer too we must be bros
I'm definitly the Danny Devito here. Lol!
TRT blast/cruise is not were you are bro..you need clomid to kickstart your nads... TRT guys dont need it due to always running test.
Yeah i'm sold out on the point, i'll take the clomid, but that was his advice for a first time cycle in the thread.
Just have adex on hand bro just in case you get itchy nips.. i dont think you will at this low dose but better to be prepared ok.
cdaddy7Since It's ur first cycle u can keep it on deck just in case, but if you had puberty gyno then u are predisposed to gyno and it would be in your best interest to take it to b on the safer side of things in my opinion
cdaddy7Since It's ur first cycle u can keep it on deck just in case, but if you had puberty gyno then u are predisposed to gyno and it would be in your best interest to take it to b on the safer side of things in my opinion
cdaddy7Just so know why Nolva/Clomid PCT: Clomid and Nolva actions Clomiphene works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testes make more testosterone....That right there is the difference. Doing this helps your testes come alive....Nolvadex stimulates the biosynthesis of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) that in turn initiate both intra-gonadal testosterone production and spermatogenesis as well as systemic testosterone secretion and virilization. The blood flow brings GnRH into the anterior pituitary where endocrine cells synthesize and produce FSH and LH. Nolvadex helps with LH(needed for natural testosterone) and FSH(helps produce sperm) in the pituitary but doesn't block estrogen from the pituitary--it blocks estrogen in your chest with the breast tissue.
I write this so much now that I just copy and paste my own words LOL
I am really getting sick of you giving all the good answers. I am ready to quit my job just so I can beat you to all the good posts.LOL
Haha appreciate it though!
No need for HCG at this level imo..also Aromasin is a bit overkill!
Why not just run the TEST E and learn it well before adding ANYTHING!
PCT is not (if needed) its a must do and it starts 14 days after the last shot.
You also mention "pin shy" so 2 easy test shots is better than having to pin HCG dont you think!
Looks good. Except the "if needed" part of clomid. The clomid and nolva do slightly different things in helping you bounce back, stick with both and at the doses you have stated. the hcg is not necessary, personally I'd drop that, especially with your fear of needles. Get used to all the pinning the first cycle before you add something unnecessary and all the extra sticks.
Aromasin is a bit early for test e, star week 3 or 4. Goth posted about I just tinished a cycle now what, its a sticky...thats Ur answer and what to do about pct and working out. Start pct 14 days after last pin
23 - sure you're ready for AAS? Think about it before you dive in. Not going to patronise you about age etc, it's your body and you're old enough to make your own decisions. I would encourage to review why we talk about 25+.
Other than the clomid issue covered (yes you absolutely do need it). Cycle looks fine as is mate. Nicely set up, your ai can be increased if there's any boob activity happening. 12 weeks is a nice length for first cycle
Nolva and clomid are mandatory in pct! Do not skimp or your young balls are gonna be trt patients by 30!
Clomid 100...100...50...50
Nolva 40...40...20..20
Stop the hcg at week 12. Yes...the aromasin runs til pct
you can not drop nolva or clomid. you can drop the hcg its not necessary in this cycle. also Nolva AND Clomid should be started two weeks after your last test e injection and they should be ran Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50
It looks like he starts pct 2 weeks after the last test e pin but I do agree that he needs to run both nolva and clomid. I gave you guys both a +1
like eatbig and ted said u need both nova and clomid starting 2 weeks after last injection u all so don't need hcg with that low of dosage of test. you can start your AI week 3 every thing else looks good
Thanks! Why is it important to run them both? And doesn't hCG make PCT easy because you keep producing natural test? I'll definitely do it but aren't they both SERMS, or are they no the same?
nolva and clomid work in two completely different ways to get your natural ability to produce testosterone back in working order and bind estrogen receptors. When you run anything from outside your body to mimic what your body naturally produces, test, insulin ect.... your body wants to stop producing those compounds because it sees that there is plenty coming in and if ran too long then it will stop producing those compounds for ever. We sometimes use hcg in a high dosed test cycle to keep our balls from shutting down and shrinking. So hcg should in fact make you come back faster in you pct and time off but you still need clomid and nolva
On a light 12 week cycle hcg imo....not as important as the pct. You shouldnt really have ball shrinkage. Hcg is better for harsh runs. Hcg keeps the boys plump so that pct is easier however, if there's no drop in size it's just extra shots. Keep it on hand if needed but I'd most def use proper pct. Save the hcg for long or hard run.
yea was just trying to say Clomid is not optional in PCT
Correct! Both are mandatory! High five!