First Cycle Battling Lethargy
Alright, so I'm working with a very high level bodybuilder who has coached and is currently coaching many other clients who are currently doing well in their chosen categories. He's been doing so for over 20 years. We just began my first cycle to begin preparing for competition season 2016. First injection was 350 mg test sustanon and 300mg of equipoise on Sunday. We planned on doing this once a week for week one and two and then switching to test cyp for the remainder of cycle, possibly going up in dose depending on how I feel and what is happening to my body. It's Thursday and my energy is very up and down all day. Wednesday I could barely keep my eyes open all morning until about 11. And then I'd have spurts of energy and crash again. Today I've been much better than yesterday but I'll have these 30-45 minute spurts where I feel like I could fall asleep. Has anyone else ever experienced this type of lethargy on a cycle? And what can I do about it to change it?
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
Are you taking in enough calories? Sleep/recovery is sufficient?
If I dont eat around every 2 hours I start feeling off...If you're expending alot of energy lifting very intense, you need a constant source of nutrients in your gut. Poor quality of sleep can have detrimental effects to well being.
Might want to question this professional coach...you're paying money, you have the right to ask questions even if they conflict with what he says.
Test levels are fluctuating plain and simple. One shot of sustanon a week especially for a first cycle will have your hormones all over the board. Always start with a long Ester then move to prop or sus. I'd put the sus at 250 m/w/f. Run the sus by itself and drop the eq as it will be useless for an 8 week cycle. Keep the sus for the entire 8 weeks don't use the cyp unless running longer.
Well....... you mention you have a coach, this is the time he should be earning his money!
You know what.. if i ever found out any person i coached was searching the internet for advice because i wasnt looking after him/her properly........ i would give them their money back and treat the situation as a personal failure.
Then word would get around and i would be Blacklisted........ thats how it is, and thats how it should be imo.
You're right. And I agree to an extent. I had done my research for many years about the subject at hand and I definitely had questions about the cycle. But really, I don't blame anyone else for what was happening. My energy is back now and I feel fine. After doing more research the only thing that makes sense is the prop in the sust must have thrown me off. It took exactly 5 days for me to feel normal again. Regardless, I have discontinued. It's difficult to find a coach who makes sense. Almost everyone I've talked to has suggested cycles with multiple compounds for a first cycle, which I've never assumed was a good thing. But when you ask these guys they all have their own reasons as to why it's safe and it all sounds the same. They basically say that other people just don't know what they're doing and that as long as you run the right compounds together it's ok. Either way...from the research I've done on here it seems like these guys are all full of shit. So I'm thankful for the help I received here.
That's disappointing to hear. Sure pump you up on various drugs to cast the illusion there coaching is giving you results. For your first cycle to boot! Like when you buy that bag of frozen chicken breasts...it says "enhanced with a sodium solution" or something to that effect. Trying to enhance you with false weight gain that will dissipate. Then their answer will be more drugs...shitty.
Validating for this community to know there is more sense being handed out here for free, than what you've found out there so far. Knuckles brother and go with your gut...always!
RustyhookerNeed bloods ran. Privatemdlabs. Com the female hormone panel for 59 bucks
Where do I post the results to get feedback?
RustyhookerSubmit.....gear pix. Just mark out personal info...name address etc
Copy link and post up top here so we'll know you posted.
Ok. I've discontinued the cycle after that one shot so I haven't done a shot in almost 2 weeks so maybe I'm almost back to normal? But I'll get those done and post asap.
i would say its just your bodies way of reacting to an outside substance being injected into your body mate, like your bodies defence system is sensing something that shouldnt be there, trying to fight it off type thing, the body is a very cool, complicated, sophisticated piece of equipment, its an amazing thing.
unless there is more to the story? last cylce? recovery? had bloods?
thyroid issues?
nutrient/ vitamin deficiency?
anemia?
hydrated/ electrolytes?
so much at play, bloods are vital, could be an issue from before the cycle began.
Thats really good, but it sounds like he has put u on the back burner. Your coach's plan is not for you, bro. If all his clients are doing well, why are you the only one having complaints?
Can you get your coach on here to explain and back up his theory regarding your BB plan?
WHERE'S THE BEEF!!?..:)
Your "high level BBing coach" doesn't know what he's doing. 8wks of EQ is utterly pointless.
This is classic stuff right here in this thread.
OP posts that he is using a "High Level" BB coach?........... WTF!
Now! my point here for anybody reading this thread..... look how fast the EROID members down below took this shambles apart........ super fast and ALL on point.
Anyone want to tell me that this is not the #A1 pro-aas website in the world.
+3s for all the guys below......... BRO FISTS .. slaps on the back!...... uncle Vikes loves you guys and thats a FKN FACT.
Made my day you guys............... i fkn love it when we shine
Its way to early for the gear to be causing this. Fire your coach, he has no concept of esters, half lifes or proper cycle structures. Your cycle is 8 weeks long, do you or your coach know it takes about 8 weeks ( some say 10) for equipose to kick in? Does he know it takes about 4-5 weeks for test cyp to fully kick in, so he has you starting that at week 3, your cycles 8 weeks, by the time the cyp has fully kicked in and you can start making gains your cycle is over. And same goes for the eq, by the time the eq has fully built up in your system the cycles over. Ask what his reasoning is the use sustanon the first 2 weeks, because theres no logic behind it. Let me guess, he sold you the gear? He had a little sust left over and some eq, and what you dont know was it was no use to him so he pawned it off on you to make some extra cash. Whats your ai protocol? And planned pct?
My guess is the gear he gave you is dirty causing you to feel like shit, or like others said test flu. id stop this now. I dont even know how to put into words how fucked up this cycle is. Dont take another shot, come here and research, find a solid source and buy everything you need to put together a solid first cycle, first hint, it includes test e or c and no other steroids. And an aromatize inhibitor and pct.
At this point just trying to figure out what I should do to move forward, whether it be quit it all together or begin a different cycle.
So if I just stop now should I just quit it all together? It's only been one shot so I'm guessing I'll be ok without having to do anything PCT wise? And just let it clear out before beginning again?
Sustanon is a short ester mixed with long esters. Idk how often you are injecting but the long esters have awhile to kick in while the prop is in and out of your system pretty fast. That could explain the lethargy possibly. Because you are shutting down natural production and not replacing it consistently. Overall that's a pretty stupid cycle. 2 shots of EQ and sustanon for 2 weeks? Then switching to cyp? Makes no sense.
Other than that test flu is the other most likely reason like ifit said.
Check your temp. Sust 350 going to have some serious bit but cutting it with EQ should help. Possibly case of Test Flu
Its not the aas, its only been less then 5 days if I read your post correctly, make sure you are getting proper rest and you got your aas from a reputed source here, do not say the name if you did or didnt. Whatever else you are doing is causing it.
X2. 5 days in and he reports lethargy. Sounds like estro...but ur right...too soon..wonder if its the short-ester in the sust...and hopefully the eq isnt acetate...
Did i read that your gona run this cycle for 8 weeks.
TronAge: 30
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 178
BF: 11.75
Been training natural for 7 years.
I posted stats for you..be sure to do that in next forum.
Ok, one question...are you taking an AI?? Also I would NEVER use 2 compounds for a first cycle..I think I would turn to researching on here rather than continue to listen to "advice" from you're trainer.. Oh, and he's telling you to switch to test C from sustanon midway through cycle??? ......Yeeeeah..don't listen to him..that doesnt even make sense..
Have arimidex on hand but haven't taken it yet since I've only taken one shot so far. Didn't think you needed AIs that soon into a cycle? And yeah, sorry for not posting stats, didn't think about it. Thanks for the help
TronIt's not estro if this is 5 days after first shot. Abort this mess painstakingly called a cycle. You've found the right place to research and it sounds like in the nick of time. For God's sake find a good reputable source on here to get your gear from once ready to cycle..atm you are in need of knowledge..not gear. Especially if you got it from the guy giving you that horrid advice.
And I've done research and I'm ready to cycle. When he and I discussed the cycle I had some concerns about it, but he had reasons for wanting me to do this particularly. But my initial thought was a test only cycle. Probably test cyp. Just not sure about the dosing. I know a lot of it is trial and error so I figured I'd give this a shot and see how it goes.
Thanks...so I'm ok to just stop the cycle without anything crazy happening? Do I need to do anything else at the moment?
TronOne shot of sus and EQ shouldn't cause any suppression especially at that dose. if you quit now..and honestly you're just better off stopping now..if you would of got into week 5 then switched to cyp you would of been in trouble and you're forum here would of been more of a desperate one. You're test levels would have dropped significantly because it takes weeks for the long ester of cyp to kick in. You would of been in all kinds of trouble my friend.
I was a member of this site like 3 years ago when I first started researching AAS. And I know there was a forum that listed a basic first cycle, can't find it now. But either way, how long would I need to wait until beginning a new cycle?
TronYou research and post your cycle in a cycle log forum. Your goals, stats, history, diet plan and what you're plans are for estro control..once you do that you will get your answer on when you should cycle again.
Thanks...I appreciate the help.
Priors, anything irregular in your bloodwork?
What is the full extent of the cycle you are running. I'm assuming you're weight restricted for competition?
First cycle, all natural until now. Never had anything irregular in my blood work. Just needing to gain about 10 pounds lean mass for comp. That's all I'm running for the cycle. 8 weeks.