-5 First Cycle advice/suggestion/modification
Hi all!
First off thank you for each and everyone of you spending your valuable time reading through this and I hope to hear back of your suggestions and critique of my first cycle. I've recently got a deal for a music performance in mid-September so my goal is to lean down. Also I have decided that if I do AAS then might as well do it properly and smartly for the longevity. My stats are:
Age: 27 Height: 5'6" Weight: 190 BF: ~16-18
Diet: Clean diet of veggies and chicken breast. Have not touch soda in over a year.
Training: On and off for the last 7 years. Did stick to serious training for last 1.5 years without giving up.
PWO: Creatine (5g), B-Alanine (3g), Citrulline (6g), BCAA (5g), L-Arginine (800mg)
Workout routine:
Warming up: 5 mins sauna + 1 mile treadmill (15-20 mins pace)
Mon: Shoulder/Trap
Tue: Back/Biceps/Forearms
Wed: Active rest (fasted cardio in the morning)
Thur: Chest/Triceps
Fri: Legs
Sat: Full Rest (being lazy piece of shit)
Sun: Active rest (fasted cardio in the morning)
After working out: 2 miles treadmill (20 mins pace)
Pre-Cycle:
- Take liver support supplements such as Sam-E, NAC for 3 weeks prior to starting cycle.
- Obtain bloodwork baseline (include igf-1)
- Monitor + Document (Rested Heart Rate + Blood Pressure) first thing in the morning throughout the cycle.
AAS product: Will be all pharmaceutical grade.
Proposed Cycle:
Cycle A: The all classic traditional Test-E only cycle.
Test-E: Week 1-10 (300mg per week, dosage administration on Mon/Thur)
AI: Take after 3rd Pin or when starting to feel symptoms.
HCG: Start on Week 2 at 500 IU total a week (Mon/Thur)
HGH: 7 days on, 2IU beginning and taper up 0.5IU every 2-3 weeks. Capped at 4IU/day. <3 IU: 1 dose waking up in morning. >3 IU: Split dose of waking up morning & 5-6 hours before bed (to not suppress with body's natural IGF-1 releasing when sleeping)
PCT: Starts after half-life dosage calculation (14-18 days range) will need to be calculated later
Klomid: 50mg first 3 days, 25mg next 10, 12.25 next 10.
Nolvadex: 40 first 3 days, 20 next 10, 10 next 10.
Cycle B: Test-E + Anavar
Test-E: Dosage change from 300mg to 250mg/week. Same protocol
Anavar: Week 5-10 Begin 20mg/day, increase 10mg/wk to 40mg/wk capped.
AI: Same Protocol
HCG: Same Protocol
HGH: Same Protocol
PCT: Same protocol
Cycle C: Test-E + Primobolan + Anavar
Test-E: Dosage change from 300mg to 200mg/week. Same protocol
Primobolan: Week 1-10, 300mg/week. Dosage administration (Mon/Thur)
Anavar: Week 5-10. Begin 20mg/day, increase 10mg/wk to 40mg/wk capped.
AI: Same Protocol
HCG: Same Protocol
HGH: Same Protocol
PCT: Same protocol.
Thank you once again everyone for taking your time to take a look at my proposed cycles. Would love to hear constructive feedbacks so I could be safe on my first journey into the AAS world! Cheers
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You are trying to do too much too soon. Just because you read about people taking an ai on cycle doesn’t necessarily mean that you should do the same. At 300 mg you will most likely not need an ai imho. This is the most complicated test only cycle I have ever seen and it reeks of someone who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. If you weren’t so young I would tell to to cruise the forums and learn all you can but in reality you need to work on your diet first then get all the work done you Can in the gym. If losing weight is the issue, I can help you with your macros.
Sauna before u hit the weights? Thats no warm up...
The rest is also bullshit, you did not enough research!
Age: 27 Height: 5'6" Weight: 190 BF: ~16-18
Diet: Clean diet of veggies and chicken breast. Have not touch soda in over a year.
Seriously?
Clean diet and BF: 16-18 , you should rethink the diet...
Stay natural till u have reached your max. natural potential!
maxwinI hit the gym regularly, I am in no way aiming to make a living by staying in the gym. Does everyone going on AAS need to be a gym rat? I would like to use AAS at a therapeutic dosage to have that little extra boost for faster progress. Also please enlighten me on why I have not done enough research? Instead of bashing me about little thing, why don't you show that EXP badge knowledge and lead by example. What's the use of talking down on people? We are all here to learn and improve. Be INCLUSIVE and not EXCLUSIVE my dude. Have a good day
There is a lot of experience here that you are mindlessly sloughing off. If you can’t take criticism then don’t ask for advice.
Suana before weight. Wtf...
This dude thinks taking a shots gonna make him look like a bodybuilder. Lol
Screw the 5am workouts and eating the same shit day in and day out.
A sauna ???
maxwinJust a simple warming up before the gym, different people prefer different training regiment. I did state only about 5 minutes in there to warm up my body since I do workout early in the morning where it is still cold. What's up with the hate train?
Your in a promo page saying your going to front load.
Your going to fuck yourself up. -2
If you e got any sense you'll listen to the guys below..
basskiller89X2
maxwinI don't agree with your statement, look again. I proposed a cycle of 250mg/wk or 300mg/wk. I am NOT doing 500mg/wk, so front loading 500mg for my FIRST week would have not impact nor given any major side effect BECAUSE that is the general consensus for starting out at normally 500mg/wk. Before stating that I will fuck myself up, please read up my dosage proposal IF you read any at all.
-2 you related to Darwin by chance
maxwinYes because it's +100 extra mg of Test-E per week than what people recommend to run normally/entrance into AAS right? What a sad community this is.
If we're "sad" please leave.
Bye!
There is no general consensus for someone who's never taken a compound.
Different people react differently.
That's why we start with one simple compound.
Never add a compound or higher dose until you can no longer get any gains.
Then you start adding shit. Guys that build there entire physique on drugs never maintain it.
maxwinSo you would advice me to do 500mg/wk for 10 weeks (that is OKAY with you because it's how you probably began too right? Explain to me why 500mg/wk for 10 weeks straight would be OKAY whereas you down voted me to fucking oblivion with proposing 250mg/wk for 10 week with the EXCEPTION of week 1 front front 500mg total? How would 500mg wk 1 & 250mg wk2-10 pose more of a problem in your eyes? Enlighten me, don't just say I am shit. Explain to me and show me why you're an experience AAS user.
Listen to the guy who has yet to run a SINGLE steroid in his life telling the Exp & Adv members how it is - You think doing 15 minutes of reading on the Internet is research? How about buying the gear for your first cycle also rather than begging for it in a promo... Not that you can even do a proper review of the brand anyway since you have nothing to compare it to as you have yet to even know what running synthetic testosterone feels like!
maxwinAlready have my gears actually, but I never thought about front loading and it seems very intrigued to me. Sadly I bought the exact amount of pharmaceutical gears (which I have stated in the cycle) for 10 weeks. I have already done the baseline blood work so it's a net loss for me (because blood work cost A LOT more money than 1 SINGLE VIAL of Test-E)
Have you finally just got out of bed or something? ....
Alphamale500Gotta give credit where credit is due! Even if you only get digs in return. But I'll be the bigger man. Good shit!+
maxwinNot sure who ya referring to, I have a legitimate concern about why these guys are so OBSESSED with people sticking to the normal norm of "you have to run 500mg/wk Test-E as beginner, otherwise you're shit" I simply proposed a cycle of 250-300mg/wk of Test-E, provided hCG routine during cycle to help pre-PCT a bit better, listed out PCT protocol as well.
Being the bigger man? No you are trolling me. You need to start facing up to life rather than hiding behind opiates, its so obvious you have recently taken a load which is why you are acting all hyper and stupid scattering the site with irrelevant comments.
If this would be your 1st cycle a d you say you would take an ai when you feel symptoms.....symtoms of what? High estrogen? How would you know what that feels like? Do you see why you need more research before you hurt yourself? Hormones are not alcohol or weed where it just wears off and your not high anymore.
maxwinDo I need to clearly list out Aromasin 12.5mg EOD or E3D or 6.25mg ED? Thank you for your concern since I did not spell out the proper dosage.
Your answer proves You are not ready. Aromasin is every day dosing not every 2 days or 3. And I asked how would you know what it feels like to have high or low estro?
Irish asked u how you feel that your estro is too high, not more not less ...
btw: Aro always ed, dosage depends on your E2 values!
maxwinI'm going to guess you have never the three (3) scientific articles he posted. Exemestane "irreversible binding to the aromatase enzyme, causing permanent inactivation even after the drug is cleared from the circulation." I'm going to guess you have not read any of them at all. Now if you have, reTHINK about it. (By the way, this is at 2.5mg/ED experimental dosage)
Aro=Aromasin not aromstase
btw: Aromasin can't crash estro if u don't go over 25mg ed!
Arimidex and and Letro can...!
You dont need to front load on a first cycle and your all over the place with your layout above.
If that's what your looking to do dont expect anyone on here to give you an attaboy.
Post a picture to give us an idea where your at.
Put up a date card with the pic so we know its you..
That’s not how to take Aro. The point many seem to be making and you’re not grasping is your lack of thourough research.
Look at Irish’s forum on Aro. Research...
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Hgh, anavar, primo? This will be your first cycle, keep it simple! First cycle should ever be a test only cycle...
maxwinExclude Anavar+ Primo. Would it still okay to incorporate HCG & HGH? I don't see the downside of taking these 2 in minimal dosage.
Alphamale500I would suggest that you just diet, do plenty of cardio and workout without any gear, especially since you're just looking to slim down and it's obvious that you don't have all the knowledge you need. And maybe, while you're dieting and slimming down naturally, you can do all of the necessary research on everything related to running gear correctly and safely.
The last thing you wanna do is fuck your body up permanently by running all these different hormones and compounds the wrong way, using wrong dosages, and wrong methods, or not using certain necessary ancilliaries, etc...
I'm being completely honest with you bro. Believe me, there are plenty of us who wish they would've done things the right way, or wish they would've never touched gear in the first place. By doing things improperly you could end up causing irreversible damage to your body and have to take testosterone replacement injections for the rest of your life. And that could be the least of your worries. There are far worse things that can happen to you from messing around with these compounds when you are really not educated and informed enough on the correct practices.
You're still very young. All I'm saying is take your time and learn everything you possibly can about using AAS before just jumping into using this and that. I wish you the best of luck with everything and remember that you can really hurt yourself by using steroids the wrong way, and sometimes even the right way! Be safe bro.
maxwinThank you for your honest opinions. I still have not take any gears yet and it still is a learning process for me as well. You really hit it when saying even "using it the right way." I am still learning and once I have everything prepared then I shall take the plunge. For now, it's expand my knowledge and gather as much info I would need.
Alphamale500Yep. Keep up the research!
Your post is a bit confusing. But be that as it may in cycle 3 Primo at 300 mg/wk is a waste. Since your trying to lean out I would just take cycle 3 without the Primo and diet; diet; diet!
maxwinThank you, could have worded it better but w/o Primo then the cycle would be #2 with Anavar. I'll take that into consideration. Thank you for your feedback!
RustyhookerBad ideas.
Groups...first cycles explained. Not spoonfeding ya
Personally I would save your first cycle for a good bulk, taking advantage of fresh receptors.
If your dead set on a cycle, your first one just needs a few small changes.
1: bump the dose up to 500mg a week, split Monday/Thursday. (If your going to shut yourself down, you might as well run a proper dose and extend it to 12weeks).
2: blood work will determine when and how much of an AI you will need. Not just after your 3rd pin!
3: HCG isn’t really necessary in this cycle in my opinion.
4: HGH needs to be ran for a lot longer than your cycle, I don’t think it’s necessary at your age or experience level. Money would be better spent on food.
5: PCT is weak, there’s lots of forums on here with pretty standard pct protocols you could follow.
Again if your just looking to lean down, maybe a simple albuterol cycle or ECA stack might be best to help you reach your goal.
maxwinThanks for your feedback! Yeah I was really reluctant on whether to do a standard 500 or not. I have read a lot of reported cycle of getting good gains from just 250mg/wk so I thought if I start out slow then it might be better for the longevity.
I will definitely do a lot more research on bloodwork and AI dosage, to be honest I have not read into AI dosage thoroughly and when to properly take it.
Lots of veteran wished they had taken HCG (at least in minimal dose I listed) when first start out AAS. It really is a toss up I suppose, but I think a low dosage would not hurt and keeps the little guys happy.
Yep, I did research on these where I need to run 3-4 months ~4IU a day or 6 months - indefinite of 2IU or less. (Already bought it sadly, I got enough to run me for 1 whole year of GH at 3IU/day)
Due to the dosage I've listed where I lower the dosage, of course I would adjust to proper PCT dosage if I like. I'm not sure if I REALLY need to take a full PCT dosage if I'm doing only 1/2 the concentration? I can experiment and properly record this for future newcomers.
I know I know I would love to get a damn proper first cycle in. But my contractor wants me to look nicely in the performance in mid-Sept, they want me about -15lbs less so I'm iffy about doing a bulk sadly...
You could lose 1 pound a week of fat, with a good diet, cardio an training regime.
That will give you the -15lbs you are after by September.
I would stick to the normal pct protocol, with it being your first cycle, you just don’t know how well you will recover.
I would leave the experimenting with Pct until later down the line.
That all being said, you seem to have done more research than most so good luck if you decide to go ahead with the cycle.
maxwinThank you Faz for your constructive criticism. I will take your suggestions for following a proper PCT protocol just to be sure everything will recovery nicely. Much appreciated brother! Have a good one my man