posted Fri, 03/10/2017 - 15:42
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I have my mind made up about taking a cycle. If you guys have any suggestions or changes i should make to it please give me your advice. Thank you all ahead of time for your input.
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E Every week (split to two injections, mon/thurs)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu Hcg Every week (split into two injections); AI- 12.5mg Aromasin ed (will adjust according to body; this seems like a universal start point)
Weeks 12-14: Keep running same dosage of Hcg until at least 3 days before starting pct; Keep running 12.5mg Aromasin
Weeks 14-16: 40mg Nolvadex ed; 100mg Clomid ed; 12.5mg Aromasin ed
Weeks 16-18: 20mg Nolvadex ed; 50mg Clomid ed; 6.25mg Aromasin ed
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You really need to put down your plan ed macros buddy! I'd get bloods done and check your eastro mid cycle to determine the strengths you will be taking your ai! having eastro to high or to low can make you feel pretty shitty! Don't forget Estrogen is extremely important for building muscle. It's largely responsible for lubricating joints and also IGF-1 production. - very important for gains!
If you hammer the Ai's on cycle you will drastically reduce the effectiveness of the compounds that aromatise.
Run correctly you may not even need to use them.
But it's deffo advisable to have on hand if your estrogen builds up too much.
Lastly, LESS is more... up your training and your food before you even touch your drugs...
You'll gain more in the long term and save yourself a ton of sides and money too.
What's with the newer generation pinning test E 2-3 times a week? Lol shaking my head.
@shiva4 you haven't given any useful advice yet so how am i the one that can't be taken seriously?? For all i know you could be 225 at 25% bf that has no useful knowledge about gaining muscle naturally or cycling..
If you want some good advice here it goes;
Learn how to eat. Sitting at 150 lbs and thinking steroids is the answer is all wrong. You claim you just got off a cut. If that is the truth, your insulin sensitivity and body's physiological response to anabolism should be very high. This means you should be able to develop significant LBM over the next 6 months, minimum, WITHOUT DRUGS.
There are some clear issues going on. If you continue with running a cycle without learning how to correctly execute everything else, you know what will happen when you come off Cycle? You will drop back down to 150 lbs or even 145 lbs. You know why? You don't know how to support the extra weight. You will be shutting off your HPTA for no reason, potentially causing damage. For what? Some temporary gains that last a few months?
Well put...hope he listens
@Ronburgundy i am 170 @ 10% bf. You you've already cycled so obviously you were able to build the muscle you wanted and keep low bf.. Bulking and cutting naturally doesn't work the same.. And I'm in pretty good shape as it is naturally.. What i was saying is that fully cut at around 6% bf I'm not 170lbs
I would do HCG after your last pin for 2 weeks before PCT!!!
500IU EOD!
@Caeser my main goal is to put on at least 15lbs of muscle. Right now i'm very solid looking at 150-155 after cutting.. I'd like to be solid around 170
No mention of a nutrition/ macro plan laid out, after all this is THE key to hitting your 15 lb goal....
With your stats, I'm confident you can reach that simply with diet and exercise....if that's you in your avatar, u have a decent start to add some mass natty....put on that 15-20 lbs first , then Possibly revisit the idea of a cycle, however if 170 is your main goal, you absolutely do not need aas to get there...
Because of your weight (whether 155 or 170) - I cannot advise anything other than proper nutrition plan. All vets will say you can achieve your goal w/o AAS; so it's unlikely anyone will cosign your proposed cycle. Very likely you'll move forward regardless, use the search tab (research) and you'll get all your answers; K.I.S.S. = keep it simple...be safe.
If you get to claim these stats when you're in fact smaller.... I guess that makes me 225 lb at 10%...
Not a good way to be taken serious around here, bro.
Cycling is not for you at this point.
You're really 150-155, I feel catfished. Your stats say 170@10%.
I normally wouldn't even pop in the cycle forum, but I knew some people would think 170 was too light and not give u any advice. Imo 170@5'8 and 10% bf isnt bad all natural, but 150 is too light
What are your goals? What are hoping to achieve with the cycle?
Well Mr. Spartan, if you're so afraid of testicular atrophy perhaps you shouldn't Cycle.....
İf you run your AI that high through Cycle, especially through pct as well, you will have much larger issues than testicular atrophy....
Every sit on your balls and have no idea until you stand up? Shit, hasn't been a problem for years. I love the atrophy.
I didn't know that about hcg increasing the rate of aromatization. I guess i'll be reconsidering it. Thanks bro
First cycle no hcg. That is an aromatization nightmare.
Is 5'8" 170 decent? I don't know these things under six feet. Should I be giving advice?
Hey now, that sounds like a stab at us short guys!
Thanks, that makes sense to start at 6.25mg ed of aromasin and go by blood work to adjust from there. Why would you recommend dropping the hcg though? (I really don't want testicular atrophy)
It's your first cycle so no need to complicate things. There are side effects with hcg mainly in being the higher rate of aromatization. See how u react to test alone and then consider it imo. I've never used hcg before and most people I know dont use it-- the atrophy really isn't as bad as it seems.
5'8";170;10%
I would drop the hcg and use mid cycle bloodwork to check your ai dose--going by feel isn't easy.
Since u are lean and if u drop the hcg, I would drop the asin to 6.25mg/day and then adjust with ur bloodwork.
Standard test cycle is good as I'm sure u have read about already