E2 control during TEST ONLY cycle
Hey guys,
Stats are:
Age: 27
Weight: 85.2kg
Height: 176cm
BF %: 8.4% (Dexa)
I’m currently 4 weeks into my 3rd cycle. Unfortunately, ive always been sensitive to e2 conversion and have always had trouble dialing in my e2 levels. This is what I’m running...
750mg TEST E p/w (Monday, Thursday injections)
1mg Adex EOD
I got bloods back yesterday and levels are as folllows...
Testosterone: 120.9 nmol/L (range 10-35)
SHBG: 39 nmol/L (range 10-50)
Free Test: 3614 pmol/L (range 225-725)
FAI: 310 (range 20-160)
E2: 120 pmol/L (range <190)
On paper, it actually looks okay to me but I’ve started to feel some sides. In particular over the last week, I’ve had poor erections (weak) and not much morning wood at all, libido is down & ive been getting out of breath easily & quite shaky (especially after training).
I’m thinking my e2 is possibly too high on the range (should I aim for under 100?) or it may be creeping up higher than 120 since my blood test, as my T levels start to stabilise. My initial thought is to increase Adex dosing to ED, which may sound crazy to those who are fine with using none or .25mg but seems i got the short straw on the aromatising factor. All my gear is legit also.
Has anyone experienced this? Or can put their 2 cents in?
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If you have Estrogen troubles I probably wouldn't run my test any higher than 500mg/week.
Have you run 500mg/week before? If yes, how did your body respond? Great gains can be made off 500mg.
This seems a bit high to me too. I might actually consider reducing the dosage of both compounds. Drop the Testosterone down to 500mg and the Adex down to like 0.25-0.50mg EOD.
That's just what I might do, but you know your body far better than I, so you'll know what's best.
Why are you running high test in the first place then. Would be better served running a trt dose of test where you wouldn't need an AI and some other non-aromatizing compound like primo, DHB, EQ. Doesn't really answer your question but something you should seriously consider so you don't have these issues for future cycles.
For now, try switching to a different AI like some have mentioned. Aromasin doesn't really work well for me but Adex works great. Try switching up instead, You are getting into some pretty high doses of Adex for just 750mg/wk of test or you may have to go to letro if you are crazy sensitive to estro.
This was more of an experimental cycle, so I could find my limit at certain doses of test only before adding in other compounds. On my first cycle, I used 400mg a week and 0.5mg EOD was good. The second one I had trouble finding my sweet spot but ended up needing 1mg E3D Adex on 500mg Test p/w.
I have some pharma letro on hand but I’d like to refrain from using it and give Aromasin a go. If that fails then I just won’t go over 500mg in the future. Thanks man
basskiller89One time I used letrozole and brought my E to 3.3 (10-60 reference range)
I didn't notice any sides, but adjusted to be safe
A lot of it is probably in your head. Also, testosterone creates a larger demand for oxygen in the blood and muscles. It's almost inevitable to not experience heavier breathing
Not going to be able to dial it in without more blood tests bro. Maybe you don't respond well to adex. Might want to try aromasin. Adex doesn't do well for me unless I'm running a low dose of test. Anything over 200 mg and I need aro. Just saying. If you switch be sure to get more bloods to dial it in
Yeah, I agree man. It’s crazy how much I need in comparison to most of the guys out there. I may give Aromasin a go for the next 3 weeks and see how things go. 12.5md EOD as a start?
X2 on the aromasin. Adex does nothing for me..
Pharmaceutical grade is also the way to go if you're struggling. I use UGL however I trust my source.
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Lower your test. Its just being wasted
Is your Adex pharma or ugl? Seems like a lot for 750 test wk.....
Since you seem to be e2 sensitive, why not back the test dose down to say 4 or 500wk and retest with bloodsin a few weeks ....if your still having e2 problems drop the test completely, pct, and take some time off ....
To each their own but that’s how I would handle it.....
It’s UGL, but I trust the source & I have used pharma in the past with the same result. I’ll get bloods done again in a few weeks & may drop the Test to 500mg for the last 6 weeks if it’s not any better.
If your using 3mg per week go to 3.5 a week. Be careful not to drop it too low. That's a lot of arimadex but obviously that is what your body needs to stay within normal.
Living4ThePumpHello Sir,
how long after last injection the blood was drawn ? Since everybody is different it could well be that you need more of an AI than others. Personally, I would take a dose at time of injections, so Monday and Thursday for you. Then I would go after labs and see if I need to add in some more on other days.
Greetings
My last injection prior to bloods was Thursday of week 4 and bloods were drawn the next Monday morning prior to next injection Monday night, 4 days later, at the start of week 5. I already take 1mg EOD, if I took only on injection days wouldn’t that just raise e2 further??
Living4ThePumpAlright. If you took EOD you sometimes didn't take a dose at time of injections right ? So like I said, take a dose Monday and Thursday, take bloods again, and then if needed add some more in on other days. So for example Monday and Thursday, and if needed Saturday etc.
And obviously an overall dose increase is needed for you.