+ 1 12-week TEST-E cycle advice!?
So i'm looking at beginning my 2nd TEST-E cycle in about 2 months time. My first cycle was a short 8 week TEST-E @ 500mg/week to see how my body would react & I made some great lean gains (Would also like to note that I had ZERO gyno symptoms during this cycle).
My current stats are:
AGE: 25
WEIGHT: 84kg (185lbs)
HEIGHT: 176cm (5"10)
MACROS: 250P 480C 50F (3500kcals)
I've added a few changes to my second cycle & I did some research on HCG usage as I didn't use it the first time around and found some great articles on it's importance DURING a cycle rather than in PCT (I can't reference any, sorry). Also I chose to frontload the test-e as opposed to adding in a oral kicker because I'd like to stay away from orals. But this is what my current cycle/pct protocol looks like.
CYCLE:
Week 1: Front load Test-E @ 1200mg/week for week 1 only
Week 2-12: Test-E @ 600mg/week (300mg injected Mondays/Thursdays)
Week 2-12: HCG @ 500iu/week
Week 1-14: Arimidex @ 0.5mg EOD
PCT:
Week 15-16: Clomid @ 75mg/ED & Nolvadex @ 40mg/ED
Week 17-18: Clomid @ 50mg/ED & Nolvadex @ 20mg/ED
Anything you would add or advise? 
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What was ur beginning weight prior to ur first cycle? Is ur diet the same?
hCG is opitional. U could start it 6 weeks prior to the end of AAS cycle, while.discontinuing 1 wk prior PCT. hCG dose is fine.
PCT drug clomid first/secondweek regimen needs to be 100/100. However, with hcg on board u probably still recover.
Agree with AI advice....be careful monitor for estro sides and administer frequency and dose appropriately.
I started my first cycle at 77kg with 8% body fat after finishing a reverse diet coming out of a fitness comp. Gained about 8kg and then dropped about 2.5kg of that once I came off. My cycle calories are higher than what I normally have, I was at 3,700 during and am now at 3,200.
so continue clomid @ 100/100/50/50? (any advice on how to combat sides? particularly stress & lack of sleep?)
Okay so would you recommend beginning Arimidex @ .25mg EOD or .5mg E3D? Then if estro sides appear up the dose?
Nice progress. Try dosing clomid in divided doses thru the day, like 50mg in a.m. and 50mg in p.m. do the same 25mg a.m./25mg in the p.m. in the 3rd and 4th week for the whole regimen. Take the whole dose of nolva at night, so 40 in p.m. first 2 wks then 20mg in the p.m. and see if that helps. With AIs i wait to get the sensitive nips and acne, but i aromatize quick. And, i use provi with all AAS, so that helps the sides too. .25mg e3d is a better dose unless u are using more compounds and higher doses. Since u wanna front load, depending.on ur rate of aromatization, u will wanna begin .25mg around end of week 2. And then continue .25mg eod to e3d. Certainly, titrate AI dose and frequency for what fits u best. Then, when u get BW around week 6, u can see if your estradiol is between 30-40.
Thanks mate! that really helps i'll definitely schedule the clomid/nolva doses around those allocated time slots to see if that helps with the sides. I've also had a look into Proviron and was considering taking 25mg a day up until the start of pct, also people are saying cut the HCG. So an updated cycle, providing what you and others have said would look like this:
CYCLE:
Week 1-12 Test-E @ 600mg/week
Week 1-14 Arimidex @ .25mg EOD (more on hand if sides occur)
Week 1-14 Proviron @ 25mg/Day
Week 6 BW
PCT:
Clomid @ 100/100/50/50 (split dosage in morning and night)
Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20 (taken at night)
Thoughts?
So no frontload? Thats okay, if u dont. Based off what u submitted start provi 25mg ed beginning of week. 3 and start adex .25mg beginning week 4, or when estro starts to rise.
Looks good. Hopefully PCT drugs in divided doses will relieve some issues u have had in the past.
AI and Provi time frames look good between end of cycle and beginning of PCT.
U have a good macros? I saw ur calories up above..
Others have said there is no point to front load or that they do not like it, is it worth spending the money running extra or will the results not differ?
Macros are currently 250P 480C 40F (3250kcals) and will most likely amp up to 250P 500C 75F (3650kcals) during this cycle.
IMO, I dont believe it is worth the money.
Thanks for all your help mate!
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I'll be 100% honest with you bud. Fist you honestly at 25 shouldn't run the hcg.. It will put more stress on your system throughout the duration of your cycle I would just keep it simple with the test e only bud. See the issue is your body arromitizes the test released from the testies not the actual hcg itself but when the hcg triggers the test, that test arromitizes as well. I would hold on to the hcg and use it if you run a higher test cycle in the future. As far as your a dex dosage that looks pretty accurate just remember if your joints start to ache then back it down a little until it subsides.
Also I would beef up your pct plan a little as well I think it should look more like this man..
2 weeks after last pin:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
I also sent you a FR if you have any other questions hit me up bud.
Thanks! I already have 3 5000iu vials of HCG so i'm considering holding onto them for a later occasion after what you said. Just curious as to what doses of test would you be looking at where HCG becomes an aid to your recovery rather than a downfall due to arromitization?
PCT is easy enough! I only dropped the Clomid dose due to sides I was having (particular stress & lack of sleep which caused my eye to twitch all the time) do you have any suggestions on how to combat those sides?
Thanks for the help!
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And I would also be careful with that adex that's a standard dose but that much dried me out so bad man lol I ended up doing that much every 3rd day
Looks decent bro I've always ran the clomid at 100 for the first two weeks but I can't see 25 mg making to drastic of a difference. As far as the front load, I feel like that would hinder things later on in the cycle. But I don't know anything about as I gradually increase dosage throughout the cycle... just curious if this is your second cycle why don't you through in some Deca or some boldenone?
Yeah I ran clomid at 100 for the first 2 weeks of PCT during my last cycle and had some pretty bad sides from it. I found once the dosage was dropped to 50 the sides got a lot better. In terms of the Deca or Boldenone, I considered EQ but was turned off the idea of pinning more often throughout the week. What's your experience with either one?
I haven't ran eq but I ran Deca along side test cyp and it actually went well it shut me down hard but I bounced back quick. While I was on cycle fat was melting off quickly and my strength was out of this world. But if you decide on Deca be careful that stuff can jack you up pretty bad you want to to do a 1.5 to 1 ratio at least I'd say 2 to 1 just to be safe meaning 2 parts test 1 part Deca and make sure you have caber on hand before you start it. It can be a very useful drug.
Not a fan of frontloadiing but there are those who like it. My only problem with your plan is you are missing the most important part of the equation, the bloods. Get bloods done bro this is the only way you will truly know how your body responds to test. You say u had no gyno issues but this does not mean your estrogen was not affected. Again get some bloods, this time around get a base befor cycle.
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Glad you said this! I actually am getting them done in a few weeks, I just forgot to mention it. I plan on Getting one a month prior, mid-way through and at the end of PCT? How does everything else look?