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Does this make any sense?!

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Alright guys first thread I started but I just couldn’t not post this. I’m losing my mind over it. Someone I know just told me they are going to run this cycle, because their “coach” told them too.

Test C 100mg ED
Test P 50mg ED
NPP 100mg ED

So my thought is why? Kickstart with prop makes sense to me but running both concurrent doesn’t. Prop retains less water Cyp retains more (atleast for me) I am just not seeing the benefits of him doing this. So if some vets could maybe break this down for me I’d appreciate it!

GrowMore's picture

What's your mates stats?

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rawmustard's picture

21 5’8’’ high 180s currently possibly 190lbs. His contest he was mid 170s.

Manshit's picture

i cant understand the different esters approach?i can see prop and npp.I can see prop and cyp for a kik,but to run them both for the whole cycle seems like overkill.Why not prop/npp for say the first three weeks and then just cyp/deca?

daksmack's picture

If it is a winter bulk why would you care about short esters? Cull the b.s. out and run test e/deca with a dbol kicker for the first weeks. 4 cc a week vs 21 cc. Coach doesn't care about his health in my opinion or I may thibk his coach is his juice supplier and maybe he wants to make a profit? To many variables but seriously, winter bulk, run test E/deca cut down on the b.s..

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DfromPhilly's picture

Mixing esters can make sense to a point. If you’re TRT/BnC... OR simply want to experiment to see if you notice a difference combining long sand short.

If your buddy is TRT or blast and cruise, keeping his base weekly dose (or even raising it a bit) and throwing the cycle on top of that takes a lot of confusion out of the game when coming off.

That being said, I’m OCD about steady levels and pinning cyp every day isnt doing much more for that than adding extra poke marks in the stopper for no reason.

Maybe the coach just wanted to make it dummy proof and said “do this everyday” instead of “do this everyday but add this to what you’re doing every 3rd day”.

I have nothing against running prop and cyp the whole cycle for those reasons, but I’m willing to bet your buddy would still get great results if he cut those doses in half. That’s a boat load of gear.

Then again, your buddy could be a monster with 20 cycles under his belt, and those doses might make sense for his experience/goals. Could be dumb as fuck, could make a little sense. Just like everything else, depends on the situation.

rawmustard's picture

He does blast and cruise, but far from an animal. I think right now he’s 190lbs contest he’s 170s. I am going to mention all this to him thanks for your input.

Bearded_muscle's picture

I think the fact you put quotes up on the word coach says a lot lol

KMC's picture

1.75 grams of gear a week.

His coach is either really good, .............. or an idiot.

What is buddy training for ??

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rawmustard's picture

Funny thing is he isn’t training for a show, this is his master winter bulking plan. I was so mind f***** when I heard this idea that I just felt wrong keeping it to myself!

Gymjunkie01's picture

Lmao these so called bulk cycles we see anymore are pathetic

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Calrizzian's picture

Typical response... from a junkie. Hahaha

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The Impastable's picture

They really are... I look at each one of these proposed bulks and then I look at Lee priest bulks and its just a shame really. I don't understand the fear of gaining some fat... I think the underlying issue is guys nowadays don't know how to trim fat off properly, so they avoid it at all costs.

And then you have a behemoth like Robert oberst, and yeah he's not a BBer but my God that man can clean out a grocery store.

rawmustard's picture

So called “coach” lol I’ve never had the pleasure of meeting. As far as who is about to drive this bus, he did a classic show around my way, he won one but since then has placed anywhere from 6th and lower at other venues. He doesn’t impress me very much.

JARHEAD2's picture

If the “coach’s” knowledge & work ethic wasn’t enough to progress himself, I sure wouldn’t rely on it either!!