Help with mid cycle change of gear
I need some advice from bro's with more experience than mine. I'm 48 yrs old 5'10 225 lbs with about 16-18% bf and on my 3rd cycle but never did a cycle properly. I had started this cycle with the intention of it being a 12 week cycle consisting of 500mg Test Cyp/300mg Deca which I got from a gym bro's UG source. From past experience that gear wasn't that good. At week 8 I ran out of the Deca and grabbed a 10ml of Tren E from the same UG source as I was waiting on 2 10ml Sus 500mg, 2 10 ml blend of Test E/Tren E/EQ 400mg and 100 25mg Dbol from a top rated source. So week 8-10 been running the 500mg Test/200 Mg Tren E. I've only put on 11 lbs and I feel as I'm just starting to see some good quality results in muscle mass and strength gains. I want to go ahead and run 16-20 weeks. What are some recommendations from the more experienced guys as to how to run this out now. I've got plenty of good quality gear now with Aromasin and Nolvadex on hand. I mean obviously I shouldn't run the Dbol now this late in the game right and just save that for my next cycle? Do I go ahead and run say 500-1000mg/week of Sus with the the blend at 400mg/week with 200mg of Tren E as well. Can I run a 20 week cycle without doing to much damage. I just started taking the aromasin at 6.25mg Eod just because im not having sides such as nipple sensitivity and I really have never had any sides on my previous cycles. Should I even be taking the AI if I'm not having sides? I'm going to get blood work done tomorrow. I know these questions really show my inexperience but I want to do this cycle and the next one properly to maximize and keep my gains. Any advice would be much appreciated. Oh I also have 2 10ml of Test Prop to either taper off with or kickstart the next cycle with although I guess that's what the Dbol is for. Thanks once again for any help.
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anvilI would definitely follow what Ross has stated here.
You need to simplify you protocol. Not swap esters or use multiple blends.
No ancillaries unless blood work/sides indicate so.
16-20 weeks is the way to go, but let the blood work tell you were to go. If you have all this stuff going you will never be able to pinpoint what is causing what. Start with test base, pick a starting dose and adjust as you go. I wouldn't ever think of running 20 weeks of tren. If you want a second compound to run pick from deca/mast/eq/primo. Best of luck.
BeefyOperations999Anvil I appreciate your advice as well. And I totally agree with you and Ross and I need to simplify this. I want to run this at least the 16-20 weeks . The Tren has only been 2 weeks 8-10 and I would only have 3-6 weeks more depending on if I ran 100 or 200mg a week. I would never run Tren for 20 weeks. I did that on my 2nd cycle and ended up in the hospital. I suppose I'm just going to run either straight Sus 500mg/wk for wks 10-20 with 25mg Dbol/day wks 10-14. Or possibly just Sus by itself. I'm already carrying to much bf% and don't want that bloated water retention look finishing out this cycle. I obviously have a lot to learn through these forums as I've never studied before but with help from guys like you and Ross and the others I will be better informed and make better decisions on what to run next time. I thought I was keeping it pretty basic with the Test/Deca then throwing some Tren for about 5 total weeks and then switching to Sus with a mix that's where I fucked up. The Dbol and the Test Prop was never meant for this cycle. That was to kick-start the next one but I'm just trying to salvage this. Lesson well learned. Thanks again guys.
anvilOf course buddy we are here to help!
This one’s tough man. So first off I don’t do AI if I don’t have sides, but your doing bloodwork so post that when you get results and we can look at estro then.
Second- your proposal would be way too much tren to do both combined.
Third- EQ needs to be run much longer to get the effects.
So based off of those things I’d, just run test and the tren you have that’s not in the mix as long as you can and save the mix, if you’ll run out of test then use the sustanon. And when you run out if tren if you want to go longer then you could do like two to four weeks with the dbol. I like doing ten mgs three times a day or 5mgs every 4 hours or whatever is convenient but multiple dosing if I’m actually using it in a cycle and not just preworkout. Since they’re 25s I’d do 12.5 twice a day.
Also if your going to continue to use tren your gunna need prolactin control. Either order some caber or you can take vitamin b6 or a supplement called p-5-p.
The problem is those mixes. Only but a mix if it EXACTLY fits your cycles doses and esters. Other wise it’s a shit show. Now these suggestions are just what I would do if I had these exact compounds. But there very complex and advanced substances that aren’t for beginners. Really a bad overall plan and you really jumped the gun on this one. Hopefully you’ve learned your lesson on how important cycle design is and being prepared.the only reason I’m not just saying to throw it all away is because your not 25 and your doing bloodwork. Good luck with this one, but you might have to bite the bullet and really just kinda coast through the rest of this cycle and wait for the next one to do it correctly
BeefyOperations999Hey Brother I appreciate the advice. So I totally realize even though I'm 48 and this is my 3rd cycle I just haven't put in the research to know enough about the various compounds and how to run them in conjunction with each other but that's why I'm here now to gain some more knowledge. My first cycle was Sus 500mg/wk for weeks 1-10 with Dbol 25mg/day split 12.5 for weeks 1-4. Gained 25 lbs with no negative sides but I was 25 yrs old then. So just to clarify iyo I should run out the remaining Test Prop at say 50mg Eod and the remaining Tren E at say what 100-200mg a week? Thats only like 350mg/week that doesn't seem like enough mg a week as I've been running 800mg/week but this is trusted source now. That would take me to about week 14-16. Then start the Sus at 500mg/week (or greater?)with Dbol 25mg/day for 4 weeks which would take me to a total of 20 weeks. Then start my PCT with Nolvadex at 14-18 days from last pin at 40/20/20/10. With B6 or p-5-p or just grab the caber? Now that will leave me 20ml of the mix Test E/Tren E/EQ 400 and 15ml of the Sus 500mg and about 70 Dbol 25mg. So any advice on where to pick up after my 6 week PCT as far as what I should order and run with what's left and have a successful cycle? I figure I'm going to be at least 240 when done this time around. I really don't want to be bigger than 250 and was shooting for a drier,leaner look that's why I thought the Tren E /EQ would help accomplish that but with Dbol at those last four weeks I'm expecting more water retention but it's OK because this will be a learning experience so there's always next time. So any advice on what to run next will be much appreciated. Thanks again for taking the time to help point a brother in the right direction. I'll post my bloods as soon as I get them so I can get some more insight on my AI situation.
This is all super jumble fucked. A lot of guys would just say trash the whole thing and start pct, which is honestly the best advice. But If your dead set on finishing this thing, we gotta make it as simple and less reckless as possible. I still don’t think I fully understand what you’ve been using and what you have, but I’ll go with what I know you have. It sounds like you don’t have a lot of test prop left so I’d start with the sustanon, your right 150 is too low. You could ride out the tren as long as you can handle really, usually there’s a lot of negative sides, you’ve been on it for two weeks so far and by the end will be 8 weeks? That’s about when guys tap out, but if your good than your good.and your right the dbol will leave you alot watery and the tren can leave you a little harder looking if your diet is on point. So you can run 200tren and 500 sust till weeks 14-16 and then 4 weeks of just sust and keep your diet clean those last four weeks , to tighten up. And just forget the dbol.
Also your bodyfat is a little high, I’d definitely cut for the next cycle and even lower it before the next cycle, from now I’d clean that diet up, at your weight you’d probably look like a monster at 10-12%. Using the search bar up top you can find some stuff written by Makwa about why you want to be at slower bf% when starting a cycle.
BeefyOperations999Sorry everything was confusing. I just fucked up with planning this cycle after 8 weeks of the UG shit and not being impressed I said fuck it and go with what I know which was the Sustanon and Dbol and decided to throw in the mix. It was simply 500mg Test/300mg Deca for the first 8 weeks then weeks 8-10 through in the 200mg Tren E . I don't want to scrap the whole cycle in week 10 and jump into PCT. Total waste of time if I do that and then I'm still holding the same official gear so even if I did scrap this run I have to figure out what's the best way to utilize what I have or add something to it. Idk I guess I'll just run the Sus and Dbol and have the Mix,Test Prop and Dbol for the next cycle which was the plan initially and figure out if I'm just going to run that alone or add another compound. My goal as you said is to get my bf% down and I'd like to be about 205-215 lean. Oh well you live and you learn. I appreciate your help bro. I gotta lot of research to do obviously.
It’s all good brother. You just want to have everything planned out and have everything you need before you start, you always want to have what you need in case things go wrong. So you want to have an AI on hand, Caber for prolactin and your PCT stuff. Also maybe some extra test, prop and a longer ester. Those things you want in your stash at all times. That’s like your first aid kit. The test prop is in case you crash estro and need to bring it up. Also you want to be 100% educated on each compound your running so you can save yourself. Like in case this happens again, you want to be able to decide what’s best, as if there was no internet.
Another big piece of advice is not to base your decision on not wanting to waste what you have or waste time. (We all do it,but shouldn’t) if you had bottles that made you sick you wouldn’t want to use them just so they don’t go to waste. So like with your up coming cycle, plan it off of what’s best for your goals and health and not worry about the bottles you have, they’ll be good for years and your health and body are worth more then the couple hundred bucks(at most) that was spent on them. “Sunken cost fallacy” just because you already wasted 10 weeks doesn’t mean it will be further wasted if you don’t invest more, sometimes its best to get out with the smallest loss
I sent you a friend request, you can message me when this one’s over, if you have questions about the next one, or if you have questions in the meantime, I’m not an expert but I’ll help if I can