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39 yrs. 6' 185lb 13% bf.
This will be my first full cycle to add some size (lean muscle). I ran sustanon a year ago for a few weeks but needed to stop and research and try again. Im gonna start on Jan. 1st Sustamed 250 500mg a week 250mg 2x week for 12 weeks. AI on hand as needed. PCT 15 days after last pin. Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

My pre cycle diet is clean low sodium & sugar, whole foods and lean meats. (2000 cal. a day)
On cycle (3000 cal. a day) 50% protien, 25% carbs, 25% fats. Carbs are low cause high carb diets put fat on me quick. Also I am a Mesomorph. Im gonna use the following for bloating and blood pressure.

Bloating:
Eat clean
Preworkout cardio.
Vitamins B&C.
2tsp. Apple cider vinegar daily
Natural green tea 2 cups daily

Blood pressure: Eat clean, cardio, omega 3 fish oils

Would like to know if I missed anything. All this info was found on Eroids.

chunkypbnj's picture

Sust will take at least 3 weeks to clear your system due to the very long deconate ester in it.

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antclay01's picture

Thanx for the info I have a few more weeks to study up im glad I posted this

cry_havoc's picture

I do not know where the impression came from that you were planning on taking 250 mg Sust EOD as I read it you were planning on taking 250 twice a week. Without having any real experience to speak of I would advice against Sust for your first cycle for a number of reasons namely that you would not get the same benefit as using one ester like Cyp or Enanthate at 500 a week for your first run. Plus it is better to learn one compound at a time and then add other compounds after you have learned how your body reacts to that one compound.

For the record 250 mg EOD of Sust or any ester really is 1000 mg a week that's 1gm per week. It is all inert at the time of injection and Sust releases at a different rate then one ester but at the end of the day it is releasing test into the blood stream at a steady rate just like Enanthate. See following post for better explanation.

How Sust Works

Doing a baseline cycle is a great idea and will be beneficial to you for your entire time doing cycles. You will need blood labs before your start, mid cycle, post cycle (right before PCT) and post PCT. These will be the benchmarks you build your future cycles against.

You have a couple of different options for your first cycle:

  1. 250 mg Enanthate Monday and Thursday. I am against this idea as it does not give you the most stable plasma levels. However, it does give you exactly 500 mg per week of test enanthate and an average intert test plasma level of 683 mg over twelve weeks. (This is the level that is floating around in your blood waiting to be released into active test from the ester) High peek is 868 and low valley is 645.

  2. 300 mg Enanthate E5 (Every five days) this is 1.2 cc of 250 mg. This may be beneficial because it allows for the least amount of shots for your first cycle and is also exactly 500 mg per week. It yields more stable plasma levels however, your average inert test plasma level would be 586 mg over twelve weeks. High peek is 767 and low valley is 517. The difference between 1 and 2 is nice steady fluctuations from peek to valley on cycle 2.

  3. This option would be the way I would run it if I were running a cycle test enanthate right now. I would take 250 mg E3. Every third day for twelve weeks. This would give you the best of the two choices above. The highest and steadiest plasma levels. The only draw back would be the pinning is more than twice a week on the average. This would give you 583 mg per week and an average plasma level of 792 mg. Your peek would be 970 and your valley would be 795. This is a much smoother and lower swing than the other two options.

    The only better option for the most stable levels would be to take 85 mg a day of enanthate and that is pointless and painful. (I am not recommending this!)

All of the PCT and AI regiment along with diet you mentioned above applies in all three cases.

If I have your head spinning than good. There is a lot to be learned before starting your first cycle. Also take what I have just written and multiply it by a factor of 4 if you are going to use Sust. It is a great compound but needs to be well thought out and you should have a short ester cycle under your belt before trying to undertake such a cycle.

Good luck!

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Thanx for the info this is a lot of detail but that's why im here to learn and get it right.

tzelukie's picture

cycle is wrong, dosing is wrong, research first cycle and go with it. test e or c. 500 mg sweet and simple. If your trying to put on some more mass your going to need more calories.

jimmie's picture

250mg eod of sustanon is not 500mg a week.

assuming you have the levels of test of the sust i'm looking at;

That comes out to 560mg of JUST the long esters and another almost 50mg DAILY dose of the short esters.

That's a lot of test for 'first run'.... 50mg / day of short esters can be considered by some as a high dose on it's own, nevermind adding in the long esters.

Stick to test enanthate.

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Thanx bro

vhman's picture

I wouldn't start with Sust. Way too many esters to deal with on your first go. Need to pin EOD or E3D at least to keep things steady. E2 will jump immediately as well.
Go with a simple Test-e or c cycle, 500 mg a week, Mon/Thur pinning. That is a standard cycle for a reason. Very easy to manage and the best place to start.

antclay01's picture

Im not trying to lose weight so I was gonna do preworkout cardio just to reduce bloating and blood pressure

antclay01's picture

I forgot to put the dosage is magnesium in a multi vitamin enough

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Add lean muscle

gentleman's picture

Which is your goal?
Postworkout cardio are better option so you can train harder your muscles before

antclay01's picture

I was only doing the cardio for bloating and blood pressure control preworkout

androq's picture

I would still do cardio post work out......and if ur gonna run sust i would suggest going every third day in the am..at 300. If your goal is lean mass you will need carbs at a higher percentage to make gains. have an ai on hand and i would take it like 4 days after first pin.

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gentleman's picture

train muscles also helps on that

My advices:
If you have a slow metabolism consume less calories rest days
When you are cycling you use better the nutrients, dont worry about carbs
postworkout cardio

pd: 250mg/eod isnt 500mg/week