posted Tue, 11/11/2014 - 07:08
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Deca Test Ratio Help
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Hey guys, starting PCT and planning to hop back on after some time off. You guys helped me a lot through my first cycle and I am very grateful for that.
I've read 2:1 test to Deca and I've read it doesn't matter.
My questions are:
1) is 250mg Deca w/ 500mg Test E for 16 weeks along with 5-7k calories enough for some gains or would it be that much butter to bump Deca to 400?
2) If I bump Deca to 400mg per week should I up my test to 6-700 to prevent the Deca related sides?
Thanks again guys, your feedback is always appreciated.
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Also, starting pct...after some time off?? Why would you run pct to start a cycle after having been off for awhile?
I think what he meant was he was finishing his pct and after time off he would start this cycle and was looking for guidance, or at least I think that's what he meant
Exactly what I meant lol TY
Youre probably right! ;) My reading comp has been off a bit lately. Damn carb depletion!!
Been there lol
I still cant help til he answers your questions though...
Low carb is not fun lol alright here's my replies below !
Stats? previous cycle? Goals with this cycle
Stats: 185lbs, 12% BF
This last cycle was a 12 week cycle and so my first. I ran 500mg of Test E pinning 250mg every MON/THUR. I dropped the dose down to 250mg weekly the last 4 weeks. The cycle was 12 weeks total. I ran Aromasin at 12.5mg ED and blood work confirmed that was a good dose for me. Winstrol the last 5 weeks and HCG the last 3 weeks into PCT with Novla and Aromasin at 6.5mg Ed.
I would run a 16 week cycle next and most likely HCG throughout at 500 twice weekly. Test E 500mg weekly unless I run Deca at 400 then mostly likely closer to 700 to prevent deca sides. Caber and Aromasin throughout with a kickstart of Tbol or another oral. Finishing on Winstrol as I would want to be very lean possibly ahow ready.
My goals are MASS. I would be eating between 5-7k calories daily with a solid macros breakdown. I am just wondering about deca at 250 vs 400 and the test ratio at both to put on mass.
TY agains guys I always appreciate your help. This site has single handedly allowed me to run a safe first cycle, the people and information on here are amazing!
ok if I was you my cycle would look something like this ..
1-16 weeks Test E 600mg
1-14 weeks decca 400 mg
Forget the T-bol
Forget the winstrol
Not needed at this point see how you respond with this before you add other crap into the mix
As far as Aromasin you gotta feel how your body is reacting to the Test maybe start at 6.5 EOD see how you respond then adjust from there. As far as prolactin goes ? Prob not gonna have to much issues running decca at 400 a week but keep some caber on hand just in case you need it, better to have it and take care of the problem then wait 2 weeks till you get it then your in trouble. Most people strive 2:1 ratio test to decca but again prob not gonna have issues with these dosages if you start to just lower the decca 50 mg increase then increase your test 50 that should take care of any sexual disfunction, but you should be good unless your body dosent respond well to the decca. The reason you stop the decca 2 weeks before your test is it takes longer to cLear your system then once you take your last shot of test follow normal PCT protocol.
I was looking at your calorie intake 7-8k is a lot for your weight and size I would start at 4500 and slowly increase till you start to add to much fat on then back it down till you find your sweet spot . Adding fat is almost inevitable when your doing a all out BULKER for mass but you can control it to a point . Hope this helps and if you have questions fell free to ask. Typing this on my phone sorry for any grammar mistskes
Thank you so much for that response its exactly what I was looking for!
I plan to do that, the only reason I wanted to aim for 250mh deca was so I could pin just my quads, moving up to 600 & 400 requires an alternative injection site.
TY very much again I read all of that and appreciate the detail!
Your welcome .. Never ne afraid to ask questions..
AnonIf your goal is mass then the 400 of deca is going to be the better option. However I don't think deca is a good idea for a second cycle, just my opinion.
What's the reason to advise against deca ?!
AnonSecond cycle is a bit early for Deca. I think you can accomplish your goals with other compounds/training/diet. Like I said, just my opinion and you're gonna do what you want, I just wouldn't recommend it.