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Looking to run 500mg of test c, 500mg of decca. Should I run more test?
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Looking to run 500mg of test c, 500mg of decca. Should I run more test?
Just throwing my opinion out there ......500mg deca seems to be the higher side of a dose, why not start low and adjust from there?....say 300mg for starters. Relate it to a first test cycle if you will, ...it's advisable to start on the low end of test, say 400mg wk and see how you react,..not to jump into 750- 800 mg wk from the get go....same principle applies to a second compound, in this case it's deca,...
Something else to consider is npp instead of deca....quicker to clear the system if things go haywire....i haven't used it but I'm sure the dosing protocol is easily found here....
Since you've done a few cycles, I'll assume e2 control is dialed in, so why not keep it simple and more side effects friendly if you will, ...test,drol, and a shit ton of calorie dense food for 12 wks!...
Just a few things to consider before you take the plunge.....good luck , I'm off to Zumba class!
This is a good attitude towards trying new things
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You could develop the approach a little, perhaps considering people's conversion rates to estrogen and/or need for an Ai. It could actually see the need for test reduce if sides aren't wanted
Depends what your goals are. Also depends what your cycles looked like before this one.
Told ya...
Worst thread ever
Believe NOTHING written here
RustyhookerWhy ? You're the sites PhD somehow?
Last i checked, its an open forum. I'm sure the op can read your suggested forum. Or do we shackle folks to your way because you decided to post a theory?
Maybe just post your links and see if op wants to be part of your testing.
Well considering I'm not a ph.d I'd have to say no to that! But +1 for thinking that
Worst thread ever wasn't a criticism of OP just some of the usual rabbited bullshit advice!
Rusty you are top of the list when it comes to issuing poor advice at certain times. You seem incapable of understanding that everyone is different, and your cookie cutter ranges and cookie cutter ratios are not applicable to all.
Just because your cookie cutter is a different shape then other cookie cutters, doesn't mean you're not still using one to cut cookies.
Oh really lol
And what cookie cutter would that be now?!!!
Zack Lee...
Zackly what?
Zack is a friend of mine. He is super cool. Likes to agree with people.
LOL
Good old Zack
Rustyhookerit would help if you list priors. Anyone answering can simply guess and with gear, theres dozens of ways to do it.
Thanks I guess I'll give it a try and see how it works for me. Looks like it'll be much easier to ask on here instead of googling everything because half the time I still don't find the answer.
If its your first run with deca run it lower 300 mg would suffice, Personally i always keep my test lower than my deca have ran many cycles with 19 nors and through experimentation keeping my test at 250 mg to 400 mg p/w i found minimal difference in gains when ran with 19 nors. never ran into libido issues was always horny and had minimal to no gyno build up compared to when i ran my test higher or the same as the deca also oestrogen was much more controlled using lower test, this is just what i do and what suits me the best hope it helps everyones different
as dfromphilly said perfectly below its all down to trial and error there is no perfect formula when it comes to aas
My thoughts too. A lot run a low dose test with tren. Because it's the boss and takes up all the space extra test just converts to estro. Why would that be different with deca. Why not a low dose with deca let the deca do all the work and a little test to keep other things straightened out
Exactly that's the point I have ran into barely any sides when using this method but again it's what works for me I know loads of guys (mightn't be the most informed of folk) but they use high dose of test religiously while using with deca or tren purely out of fear of ED! there actually too afraid to cycle at a lower dose test, so a lot of people will never truly know what difference it can make for them again can be down to personal preference
In my experience you should always run test higher than the Decca dosage. If not you're sure to get Deca dick, especially at half a gram of Decca a week. If you've never ran Decca before you might want to consider a lower dose 350-400. Some will say you have to run test twice as high as decca, 2:1 ratio but 600 test and 350 decca is a good balance.
"In my experience you should always run test higher "
Why is that? Could you explain please?
It was poorly worded, my fault. Deca is one of those compounds that will always be up for debate as far as dosage, ratio, duration and even it's role in a cycle (bulking or cutting).... everybody's going to have their own opinion about it. Mine just happens to be I get better results when I run test higher than deca, if I run test equal to deca, it ends up being a bullshit cycle I could've just ran test with and made the same gains....it gets even more interesting/confusing when I use NPP instead of Deca, shorter ester same hormone but completely different results.... bottom line is no one has this hormone down to a science and it will always be a "shit show" when it comes to differing opinions about it
Joking on the wording aside, I was interested in your own experiences, thanks for sharing
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Well, it's poor wording, I'll give you that.
Isn't that a logical fallacy of some sort?
Certainly is! It's the basis for suggested ratios, so pretty straight to the point in terms of highlighting why cookie cutters are ultimately flawed!
As much as we like to believe otherwise, it is a very inexact science, can you be sure that the gear is dosed exactly as indicated, (Not with UGL gear, or even black market pharma gear).
Every body reacts slightly different to compounds and the interaction between compounds.
So yes, it is a science experiment, .............. use caution and don't kill yourself.
Your completely right KMC, what works for me might not work for the next guy and vice versa. When trying a new compound one should always use caution and start out with a low to moderate dose and see how their body reacts and adjust accordingly, instead of jumping head first in the deep end.
RustyhookerI like your ratio ideals. Just note the safety as everyone is different. Ai/caber on hand as/if needed. Might even suggest blood at week 6 to dial estro and make sure prolactin isnt an issue.
Agree 100% Rusty!...I guess I shouldn't assume anybody running these compounds should've done a lot of research before hand and would take the necessary precautions...Ai, caber and blood work
Deca dick is because of prolactin build up and has nothing to do with your test dosage.
Caber fixes Deca dick, more test does not. It's just a way to ignore the real problem by pretending it's not there.
Holy shit man
How could you get it so backwards?!
Except the fact deca completley shuts down ones natural test production to non existant, hence why most ppl run test much higher, to compensate that loss and be a normal functioning male.
No test equals no libido/ sex drive/ limp dick.
You only need to run test at say 125mg/week if you want to compensate for shutdown. Runningbtest 2x as high as deca may work for you for other reasons, but the test replacement dose is very small.
Your body naturally makes only a few mg/day.
All AAS will shut you down completely, deca isn't special in that regard.
I agree with you there and I understand why most people run it twice as high. I myself am on TRT so I'm normally at 175mg a week and I'm always shut down. So if I up my test to 300-400mg it's not going to make a difference because my dick will work either way. Now when I add in Deca/npp or Tren I just add in Caber and I'm gtg.
We all know our own bodies and each person is slightly different when it comes to side effects. For me it's very hard to get prolactin sides but I easily get estrogen side affects. So I prefer to keep my test under 400mg to avoid any problems. If I take 300mg or 750mg of test along with my Deca I will make the same gains... but if I run my test at 750mg I know I'm going to add a shit load of estrogen. So to me it doesn't end up helping. I'm better off just adding in caber to deal with the prolactin and keeping my test lower. But again, everyones body is different and gets side effects at different dosages. So there's no exact one answer for any cycle. Because each person is different and we've all learned that the hard way unfortunately.
In theory, if you conrol your estro you won't have prolactin issues to begin with but yes whenever i run decca/NPP I use caber to keep prolactin in check. I've been running gear for many years and can tell you with each compound you add to your cycle the more balancing you have to do, otherwise you could just run everything at the same dosage, which of course would be foolish because every compound has it's own benefits and sides and are dose dependent in that respect.
Or less deca ??
The answer is not always more gear.
Diet, goals, ..........
It is not a race to shoot the most gear.
Rustyhooker^^^^on point
I usually stick to tren and test cycles. Decided to venture off and try something differ. Been doing cycles for about 2 years now. I'm currently 203 with 15% bf. I usually run cycles for 15 weeks. Never had any problems coming off.
Age: 28
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 197
BF: ?
What's your body fat percentage? Cycle history?
It all depends on who you ask. Everyone responds differently and prefers different ratios. This thread has the potential to turn into a shit show real fast since this has been a big topic recently. i hope not because you're going to be more confused then when you started if it does and you try to listen to everyone.
Stats accurate? That you in your pic I'm guessing?
If so, we just need your previous cycle history to help out.
Edit: and BF as PPG pointed out. Thought I saw a number there when I looked but evidently I didn't.