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Looking for some expert advice on a cycle I'm considering. Please see following:
52 yrs.
6'3"
196 lbs.
~12% bf
Diet - excellent
Been training since I was 21 and I've cycled a few times previously in my life - last was 18 months ago (Test E/Prima - 12 weeks). I got lean and added relatively good strength, but gained only 3 or 4 lbs. I prefer mild (toxicity) gear and thus the cycle I'm considering is TestE/Deca/Prima. Anyone have experience with this stack (dosage, duration, pct [i prefer natural products i.e. arimistane, DHEA, maca, etc.]). I'd like to add about 12 lbs. this run and hope to keep a fair bit of it. Having said that, keeping gains has never been much of a problem in the past.
I'm grateful for any feedback here. Thanks in advance, guys.
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And at 52 you surely need to run bloods pre, mid, post cycle.
AnonYou're skinny like me. You might try deca and 'fluff up' a little, instead of d#ckskin. You might like it. I know where I'm gonna land but being 'swol' for a bit is OK for me.
Diet is where i fail. Even with a vitamix and grounding up roast, taters and carrots to drink(real food...literally) i can't 'eat that sh!t motherf#cker' in the volumes the angry black man on you tube tells me to. Ha
Good luck.
Heed the advice below and stick with a test only run, 19 nor at our age makes it way much more difficult to come back to baseline ....gains suffer so why even mess with it...keep gym and kitchen time on par add some test and good things will happen...let the pros use those compounds, the majority of us only need a little added test along side a dialed in workout and nutrition plan...
Couldn't agree more. Test only cycle with well planned diet and training would do the job for you.
Rustyhooker^^^^
If you’re looking for mild compounds then I’d drop Deca and go for EQ. Test/EQ/Primo with Anavar. But hey what do I know. Btw, if you decide to take EQ you should also consider taking Tadalafil to really show off that vascularity.. ;)
RustyhookerYoure gonna find life at eroids difficult with bad posted info. The op combining deca and primo shows ge has no skills.
Anon"But hey what do I know."
You know very little and are giving bad advice. -2
You are telling someone who hasn't run many cycles and been off cycle for a long time to take a bunch of drugs that you don't know anything about. You already made it clear that you didn't know when Test E reached peak stable levels in your post asking about Halo.
Now you are suggesting someone take a horse steroid (Boldenone undecylenate) when they don't need it. EQ can crash E or raise E very easily. With EQ donating blood becomes more important. EQ can raise BP significantly. EQ has a long half life like Deca and can impair PCT if you dropped early enough. You know nothing and need to shut up.
RustyhookerI love eq. Viking loved eq. As far as for the op.....i answered it below. Simple is better as you stated...test only.
I understand.
Op said he only gained 3-4 lbs from his last cycle and wanted to gain upwards of 12 lbs for his next cycle, that’s why I suggested that stack. At reasonable doses he won’t experience sides and will have a good time, imo. I’m not suggesting he take a gram of EQ and Primo per week, obviously use safe and reasonable doses. All of the compounds listed in the stack have very little sides, low conversion if any, etc. I simply said what I said because he won’t reach his goal doing exactly what he did beforehand, he only gained a few lbs from test before.
RustyhookerThe main idea if ya read the op starements...the op really doesnt know what hes doing. Stacking deca with primo is proof. He wants natursl ai pct products which dont work with roids. Basically, a beginning level test should be an easy 10pounds if he eats and lifts properly. If hes not doing proper ai as/if needed and resl pct, he will lose it anyways. At his age....my age....looking at proper health check is key. Maybe he needs trt already and no roids yet as far as cycle.
Hey Guys - I gotta say, I'm quite grateful for all the input here. It is very clear to me that everyone here has greater knowledge that I do and that's why I decided to post here. That I have received such a variety of input is great. At the end of the day, its up to the op (me in this case) to do their own research - which in part, is what I am doing here. You can read 'scientific' and marketer commentary until you're blue in the face, but "rubber on the road" is what is really valuable. After 30 years in the gym, I know my body really well, but maybe 5 cycles in the same time, I am not expert in how AAS works with me - past what I have used (moderately) before.
All that said, everyone posting here is passionate and have as their first priority the intent to be helpful. And frankly, that's all anyone can ask for. Its when you get f**koff's posting a bunch of ego shit that it loses all value. We have none of that here and for that, you've all earned my respect in one, single thread.
At the end of the day, I'm gonna try a Test E trt approach and see what it yields me. I'll reply back when I've got enough under my belt to offer something of value.
In parting - please accept my thanks. I know you all have my best interest at heart - and fuck me if that's not really awesome from a bunch of strangers.
Anon"its up to the op (me in this case) to do their own research"
+2 I respect that, sir.
That is an intrinsic part of making a well informed decision about your next cycle.
The Eroids forums have a lot of information you will find useful in your research.
You're welcome. Yeah it is awesome; nobody here wants to see a bro get hurt, so we try to provide helpful information.
RustyhookerGood to know youre researching as everyone will have a favorite.
Me...38yrs in gym and was fully sponsored by golds and 2 others in bodybuilding. 23years of varied cycles. Im no expert...if i eat shit, i look like shit. Lol
Welcome to eroids
BTW man, you’re 6’2” and 190lbs.
Do you really know anything about AAS?
6’2” @ 190 is small for someone who is supposedly as experienced as yourself.
You mind posting honest lifting PR’s? LOL.
No need to get personal. Shred, is just looking out for the op. This route won't go well for you.
Anon-2 for trolling.
I know more than you about AAS as proven in your other forum post and here again.
It clearly states in my bio I'm an athlete.
You're off to a bad start.
You being an athlete doesn’t necessarily give you “credentials” regarding AAS. If we’re being realistic here, there isn’t really any reliable advice regarding AAS compounds seeing mostly all of them are regulated/illicit. Sure there are small studies here and there, but modern medicine shows us that many compounds are genetically dependent, therefore even general research on how groups of people react to certain compounds should be taken with a grain of salt.
As for my advice, EQ and Primo are generally MILD compounds, especially when compared to Deca.
As for you continually attacking my own knowledge base, I’ll have you know that blood levels can reach as high as 400% after the first 24 hours of a Test E injection. Also, you can check Steroid Plotter for a visual on how Test E blood levels peak after about 21 days.
I’m not just pulling things out of my ass, I have the ability to read as well. Please stop belittling my advice because I had one question about a compound.
Eq is mild?...at what doses are you talking about?...any compound that can raise hematocrit / hemoglobin levels causing high bp the way eq does, is hardly a mild compound IMO...just because it doesn’t hit like a sledgehammer with a bag full of nasty sides, doesn’t mean it’s “mild”....it deserves to used with caution....
AnonAgree.
What EQ can do to RBC and BP is serious enough that it should not be considered a mild compound. EQ can raise RBC and BP to dangerous levels. There is no shortage of horror stories on this forum and other forums about the repercussions faced by not donating blood or monitoring BP while running EQ. We don't want to see OP jump on a cycle of anything without knowing the facts.
Agreed!....let’s hope op listens to the advice given here...
0.5-1 mg per lb of body weight is typically how the drug is supposed to be administered (in the case of using it on animals).
You are correct on that part sir....but did you know that it’s usually administered only a few times and not double the dose of a 1200lb horse for 14-20 wks?...that being said, how do you thing the human body would react to said doses for such a long period of time?...it is definitely not a compound to take lightly once you do the fucking research
AnonI'm not negging you on this one. I'm asking you to sit a few plays out. I'm not the only member correcting you. You're welcome to use the forums and learn. You're welcome to share. But be aware that your ideas will be subject to scrutiny in the forums, and if you can't handle that you're gonna have a bad time.
RustyhookerAnimals and clinical science doesnt work fok r what we do. Clinically, trt is 100mg test or less. Yet a cycle is 300mg or more. 1200mg for a horse weighing 1200 lbs...yet i wont mention typicals on human use. Deca clinically 50mg yet.....
AnonYou asked about my size and lifts. I'm not a powerlifter or bodybuilder. I'm an athlete.
As long as you continue spewing ignorance and handing out bad advice you will be negged. -2
Well you’re the same height and weight as the op so I’m not sure where all of your experience plays a role in helping him reach his goals. “I’m an athlete” isn’t a suitable cop out. Maybe if op was asking how to better his 40 yd, better his box jump, better his mile, then maybe your plethora of experience would come into play, since of course, you’re an athlete. Instead, op posted about wanting to gain muscle from a cycle, therefore, you being the same height and weight as him leads me to believe you probably don’t have the experience he’s looking for. He didn’t ask how he can better his hurdle, he asked how he can gain muscle. I wouldn’t ask Kobe Bryant or Usain Bolt how to gain muscle, I’d ask someone who’s expertise is building muscle. Not a difficult concept to grasp, so relax Mr Likestohandoutdownvotes.
RustyhookerOk....i neggin ya too then.
Maybe you need to read his post again.
“I've cycled a few times previously in my life”
“last was 18 months ago”
“I prefer mild (toxicity) gear”
“Anyone have experience with this stack”
“Anyone” = me, you, anyone else
Thanks, again, for more patronizing.
Anon-2 bad advice gets negged.
After 18 months his receptors are fresh and he doesn't need to stack the compounds you suggested.
Hey Mountaineer - now here's an innovative turn. I am not familiar with EQ as I've never used it and I haven't been around anyone that has in years. Re: Anavar - I know lots of guys that swear by it, but I hadn't really considered it until it was mentioned here in this thread yesterday. I'm looking at it tonight as an alternate to Deca - again for the advice received here yesterday.
I very much appreciate your input here. Thank you!
I personally think the results you’d see from EQ would satisfy you more than Deca. Deca is super wet and chances you’ll blow up like a balloon animal. EQ is going to make you vascular without really giving you any sides.
Also, consider this:
EQ is probably going to make your dick work better
Deca is probably going to make your dick stop working
Deca is great if you’re someone who needs the benefit of the compound when compared to the sides you might experience. For example, someone who is a powerlifter or strongman - it’ll do wonders for their joints.
My personal experience with wet compounds is that they hit me hard. My body is very efficient at metabolizing hormones, so even the smallest amounts of wet compounds trigger side effects that make me feel like a woman.
Something I always suggest is having a DNA test performed so that one can research their own set of genetics and how their body is going to react within certain parameters and variables. $100 to have concrete information about your body for the rest of your life is a very small investment. If you do, use 23andMe. If you’re unsure about a company having your genetic information tied to your identity, simply use a false identity.
AnonAnother comment rife with ignorance. -2
RustyhookerTest only...simple as posted below
Groups...first cycles explained. Get the ai, bloods, pct and diet on point. Enjoy life.
Precycle bloods. Might be trt time....?
Sure, agreed Rusty. Thanks.
RustyhookerIve seen a lotta guys our age do miracles on trt when we hit that age.
[i prefer natural products i.e. arimistane, DHEA, maca, etc
Another reason gains suffer. Using medical hormones and hoping for a plant cure.
AnonIt's been a good while since you been on cycle. 500mg of Test for 12 weeks will put on mass. You could add Anavar the last 5 or 6 weeks too. That would be a pretty mild cycle with good gains.
If you're set on running Deca please know this, sir.
Deca is going to shut you down more and make PCT harder. Running Deca requires having Caber on hand and knowing how to dose Caber if you need it. If you run Deca you have to drop the Deca a couple weeks before dropping the Test so that it has time to clear out before PCT. If you run Deca you might need HCG because as I said Deca can really shut you down.
Hmmm...good advice. I didn't realize it (deca) was that severe. Ufff... Ok, I could attack anavar. I know plenty of guys that love it.
Any comments on natural pct compounds?
AnonReal PCT is the only PCT. None of these OTC (over the counter) supps will cut it. Nolva and Clomid for PCT. And I wouldn't trust research chemicals either. Real pharma grade or UGL grade PCT is the only way to go in my book for PCT.
You are not going to put on 12 lbs running primo.
No he isn't!
Yeah, my lady cycle proved that it's hard to gain weight with primo, hence the reason for adding deca to the cycle. Thoughts?
Been 18 months since you last cycled. 500mg/wk test e. If you can't put on some good solid weight from that then it doesn't matter what compounds you are taking. Remember it is the diet that is at play here for putting on the mass. Steroids don't make up for a shitty diet so taking more AAS isn' t going to translate into more muscle. Your receptors are fresh so take advantage of that. Adding other compounds in at this point isn't going to make much of a difference. Run a solid test cycle with a sound nutrition plan designed for building mass with a workout to match and you should be able to make 12 lbs.
Yeah, my diet is incredibly clean rear round, but it's true I could consume more calories on-cycle. Is there any benefit of a test e/deca/primo stack (vs. Test e/deca) - assuming diet is as it must be?
I really don't see a point in running deca with primo. Deca if you want to bulk and primo for a cut but not both at the same time. Waste of good primo. Stick with a test cycle. Running a 19nor like deca can be a big hassle not only have to worry about estro but now progesterone also. Few cycles down the line I might consider deca but not now. Entirely not needed right now and you won't see any difference in gains just more hassle. At your age could also be a surefire ticket to TRT.
Hmmm, you have a viable perspective makwa. Good insights I hadn't considered/learned previously. Test/anavar better choice, in your opinion?
Just run Deca and test, then eat more. Truthfully it’ll always come down to the eating. I will say that the Deca will be more watery so watch out for that