+ 3 Current Bulk Cycle
My biggest problem with bulking is a weak appetite.
I really love my current bulk cycle. Take a look and tell me how I could tweak it for even better gains next time around.
Weeks 1 - 4 test p 100 mg EOD
Weeks 1 - 14 test e 750 mg
Weeks 1 - 14 deca 250 mg
Weeks 1 - 16 EQ 300 mg
Weeks 5 - 11 d Bol 50 mg
Aro 12.5 EOD
Then on to lean.
Rationale - I have higher blood pressure so I used the EQ for appetite purposes only. It seems 300 is plenty for this. The 250 deca is for joints, my shoulders, hips and knee can give me problems. 250 mg deca takes care of this perfectly. The D Bol started at week 5 is nice because everything is at full swing and that just really pushes it further. I like it mid cycle better than in the beginning, I just feel like there is lots of synergy going on at that point.
I was going to use NPP but I had deca and I have no problem with looking watery. Bulk is my problem, not getting lean, and I don't love daily injections. I like the deca because it helps me run my estrogen lower without feeling dry in the joints. So my blood pressure is actually lower than usual because estrogen is so pretty low. That also helps my mood quite a bit.
Additional add ons -
For blood pressure.
I use 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar every morning.
Fish oil 4 g's daily
CoQ 400 mg daily
This makes a huge difference. My BP is actually pretty good.
B-12 injections for appetite and energy.
Vit D - it makes such a difference in my mood I cannot believe it.
Zinc 50 mg nightly.
I also made a dietary change. I make sure to eat 300 grams protein daily. Tread made the 1.5 g suggestion and that helped a ton. I was getting 220 or so.
I use BCAA for long workouts. I love training so I often spend 2 hrs there, I feel like this prevents catabolism a bit.
Optimum gainer shake 1 scoop pre one scoop post. It's expensive but it works with my stomach. Post workout meal is hard for me I'm usually pretty nauseous following a workout.
And on leg day and chest day I use 50 mg TNE.
I run peptides CJC and ipamorelin 100 mcg 3 times daily. Next time I will switch to GHRP but funding is low and I had the ipa. I swear these peptides make a huge difference in preventing me from adding too much fat. And my recovery time is amazing.
I think that's about it. I posted some shitty pics last week but in 6 weeks ill repost some good ones. I'm growing very nicely. And Im not having any sides.
There is nothing like seeing changes every week. I love it.
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You seem to have a good grip on what you are doing... i see you took onboard treads advice with the 1.5Gs of pro to every one pound you weigh...... OK ..try the ultimate amount of pro and watch your gains take off again.... 2.2 Gs pr every 1lb you weigh and increase the grammage as your body weight increases.... if you really want to max out thats the way to do it.
The main reason gains stop at mid-cycle or whatever point is because people decline to alter protein intake...it MUST be increased per say as body weight increases to keep gains coming steady throughout the whole cycle not just part of it...... if every body on eroids did this on cycle the pic section would be flooded with success stories... this is the age old way to grow but it seems to be forgotton and more reliance on bigger and bigger stacks seems to be the norm.
BigBmajDay two of 400+ grams protein. How am I supposed to have time to do anything else? All I'm doing is eating. My stomach is pressed about about two feet by the end of the night. Is it ok to rely more heavily on whey at this point? It's easier to drink my protein when I'm stuffed.
2.25 lbs chicken thighs
50 gram gainer shake
120 grams whey shake. 2 60 g shakes
20 grams BCAA
1 cup cottage cheese. Or 1 pint ice cream.
Any thing else is nuts, brown rice, etc.
Final question - can I use the fact that some days I have a weaker appetite to my advantage? For instance I was starving yesterday could I have gone all out and had 8000 cals, and gotten away with 4000 today? Almost like cycling carbs that way. My appetite is not consistent at all.
yeah... thats good going and thats exactly what its all about bro... gut busting to start with but it does get easier.... you will get to the stage were your stomach is growling and asking for next meal lol.... couple of weeks of this treatment and you watch the weight increase for fun. I prefer thighs to fillets anyday bro.. far easier to get down with having a little more fat and moisture, only time i swap to to fillets is on a serious cutter/comp prep.... other than that i dont give a fuck about the fat content because the metabolism will be so high it burns fat away for fun... thats why i never run clen or all that other shit weaker folks rely on..... use casein just before bed to have a slow release throughout the night...... if we were natural this would stop us from slipping into catabolism in the night .. but juiced as we are it justs drips a nice steady helping of pro into the blood stream while we sleep,keeping the receptors happy if they go into a pro hunt in these hours lol...... also a daily slip in appetite is quite normal but as long as we are TRYING to hit our targets we will succeed ..... keep me updated brother i know 100% we are on a winner here, and if you can bring some positive results .. together we may change a few stubborn minds on these boards and shock them into a new growth spurt also instead of just relying on ever increasing stacks and worlds of bad sides to STILL stay the same as they have been for fkn ages..... it does my tits in when i constantly read how such a compound didnt work etc,etc,etc,...... its all about nutrition i cannot stress this loud enough.
What you have chossen to do here is go hardcore bodybuilding tactics.... this type of nutrition plan is not used used by most recreational lifters like we have on eroids... employing this approach your gains will blow the socks off 85% of eroiders, and the self learning curve will stand you in good stead for the rest of your bodybuilding life... it will open up a whole new mindset towards AAS and its usage for you.... now crack on!.. and please keep me in the loop bro... i love success stories
Welcome to level 2 brother....... i think you should have an ADVANCED tag after reading some of your posts but hey!..... its early days lol.
BigBmajHell yeah. If that doesn't motivate me - nothing will.
Now let me go find something to eat quick.
Here's an example of my super heavy duty bulking diet. Will likely need lots of peptides and EQ to do it.
meal 1 - 12 whole eggs, 2 cups granola/milk, apple, banana
meal 2 - 1 large can tuna, pb&j sandwich
meal 3 - 10 oz boneless skinless chicken, olive oil, sweet potato
meal 4 - 16 oz tilapia, olive oil, broccoli
meal 5 - 1/2 box spaghetti
meal 6 - post workout protein shake till I get home + protein bar
meal 7 - 16 oz steak, 1lb mashed potatoes, green beans
It should come out to over 400g protein or close to it, only using one protein shake
Dat Der.... looks similar to my diet right now..... meal 2 i do Ham because i am only in maintenance stage at the moment so not overly bothered about uber sodium free... broccoli i hate so i use asparagus,... with the mash which is an off-season staple for me i mix in a little mature cheddar to enrich.... and i also use tons of garlic and chillies for blood health and the extra thermogenic effects..... eggs will be scrambled with mushrooms and full fat milk ..again for added cals and the carb loading effects that mushrooms bring to the table.... post workout will have ground oats added and maybe organic peanut butter once or twice pr week.
Similar to your diet! It must be good then. I'll be using this my winter bulk in hopes to break new ground. 230lbs... 240?? Who knows. I do scramble my eggs, I'll try adding mushrooms to that and cheese to my potatoes. I will also try adding organic peanut butter. Thanks
Just a side note bro........
i can usually maintain 230lbs with only 3300 cals pr day... so once you get there just manipulate the pro/carb balance to see what works best for you.
Haha okay, my maintenance for 220 is 4300-4400 lol damn fast metabolism. That's why I need minimum of 4900 to gain. So yeah I'll use that diet but add a shake or smoothie here and there for the easy calories that I can drink. But yeah I'm just getting it all figured out what works best for me
BigBmajI just grabbed another thing of cottage cheese. Thanks for that advice. Ill put it to use right this second.
Not too hard on the kidneys? I already spill a little the doc said.
Oh and can I count all protein - plant, rice, nuts, BCAA, or only highly bio available and complete sources??
just feel your way bro.... keep fluids up so you always have a good flushing process going on and you will be fine..... reading your post you definately have the intelligence to listen to every little thing your body is going through... so with level of knowledge and instinct i dont see problems for you.
And yes!... every single gram of any pro source is to be counted brother... this is the skill part now, any fool can pin massive amounts of gear but nailing nutrition is beyond them and constant failure is on the books..... nail nutrition and the bodybuilding world is your oyster.... good luck bro.
BigBmajHey thanks again man. I really appreciate the encouragement. It's amazing how much that helps sometimes.
Vewigood shit right there brother.
I'm surprised 300mg is enough EQ to give appetite it takes 600-800 for me to really feel it. But sounds good dude sounds like you are having a great cycle don't change anything if it's working.
VewiDam brother great write up. This should be a sticky of how you come in and post something like this.
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I like it you know your body you explained everything real well. If I could give you more I would.
Also: for you BP baby aspirin if you need it.