posted Mon, 07/21/2014 - 09:33
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Cruise question between cycle questions.
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I will be coming off my 5th cycle, 35 years old. 16wk cycle of 500/wk Test-E and 14wk of Deca soon. Plan was just normal PCT then time on+PCT until next cycle.
Due to some changes and turning out to be poor timing, I was thinking of now cruising after this cycle for 8-10 weeks at 250wk Test-E and going into the next cycle of test+tren.
Reason being wedding will be coming up just into that next cycle and I would like to look as good as possible, so not wanting to be still off after this current cycle.
Would this cruise between cycles be good, any advice or changes I should consider? I've never cruised before.
Also after the 2nd, could I still do a normal or possibly longer PCT and go back to that method?
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Like everyone has said below this is basically a recipe for TRT. You are wanting to run the 2 most suppressive steroids out there for 2/3 of a year. By the time the Deca clears out of your system you wanna slam it again with Tren and then expect to be able to recover. If you ever want your nuts to work again this is horrible idea.
some people saying that you may not recover, at 35 cycling for approx 36 weeks straight using two known to be very suppressive compounds itll be a miracle if you recover your natural test at all. and if you did recover some itll take 6-8 months off cycle while it slowly comes back before youll find out just how much actually will return. kiss your gains goodbye, probably your wife, lay your ass down on the couch and cry a river depressed.
thats what kind of an idea you have here!
Yikes bro ! Truthful, but I didn't know u could be so macabre . . .
Bad idea man since u probably won't bounce back as easily as u think off a long cycle u hinder ur natural test and risk not having kids. Plus 250 mg a week isn't a cruise it can be a cycle for some and since it's a super long cycle ur messing with every organ in ur body n messing it not only ur nuts but heart n liver go off pct and commit to better diet n make gains off cycle after juice is a supplement to ur diet
If you're okay with running exogenous testosterone for the rest of your life then yeah it's a good way to hold gains. If you're just doing this for your wedding and don't have long term plans in the industry/or don't see yourself doing this in a few years then it's a bad idea. I'm not so convinced when ppl say extended steroid use = infertility, as many users and abusers have kids, but it is a possibility just as hair loss is. Your call man, it's your life and you set your own priorities.
So your advise is if his okay to run steroids the rest of his life it's a good way to hold gains smfh. He might be perfectly healthy why does he need to run testosterone for life. This is a safety first site we try and help people say safe if and when he needs to run trt we advise him to go be under the care of a medical doctor not if he has plans in the industry or if he's okay with it
So what exactly was the advise here? It's a proven fact that AAS can and does cause infertility. Look at any article or study and the #1 reason for infertility will be AAS use.
There may be a correlation between AAS use and infertility but but not causation. You have just as many guys knocking up their girls who have been on hormones for extended durations, as guys who go limp and can't reproduce. It's not to fair to say it is inevitable, that TRT=infertility; but rather a risk taken.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's some big study on this that any of us can reference.
That said, I'm sterile and it is the learned opinion of many doctors to which I have been seeking possible treatment that it was CAUSED by what they consider steroid abuse . . .
I kinda agree with what your saying. Its a risk, just like acne, liver damage, heart damage, hair loss and all the side effects it causes. But to say if you go on trt or use steroids you will become sterile is not right at all. Its definitely a risk that needs to be taken into consieration, as its alot more serious then getting acne or losing your hair. It can really fuck up the rest of your life if your unlucky.
Sorry man, not a good argument. Eroids= safety and health first, not slivers of studies and maybe you will be ok. Just my humble opinion.
I wouldn't do it bro... Keep up the diet and crush it in the gym, if your diet is good, you will still look good. Just not as swollen!
Cruising put me on TRT as well as made me sterile. Long story short. Does such a catastrophe befall everyone that does it? Of course, not. That would be as ridiculous as saying stay away from heavy heavy lifting because the momentary increase in blood pressure could cause you to stroke out and die. Silly, right?
Bottom line bro: If I were getting married, the last thing on earth that I would fuck with is the family jewels. Because, I'm a living example of - it can happen to you to, don't think it can't so do your PCT as planned, don't extend.
At 35, you won't bounce back as fast as you did 5 or 10 years ago. Cruising stills means shutting down natural test production and for such a sustained period I wouldn't recommend it. Whilst I'm a few years older than you, I wouldn't rate my chances of a great recovery and I don't fancy trt until necessary.
Advise against. Maybe we can tidy up your diet, (if necessary), to get you in the best shape for your wedding?
Please fill out stats. Cruising is a bad idea. The longer you stay on , the harder it is for your body to reach it's natural hormonal equilibrium so to speak.
Great idea if you want to be on TRT for the rest of your life. This is not a scare tactic, just a distinct possibility. You're coming of a very long deca run, which has severely shut you down, and now you want to "cruise" to look good for a wedding. Is the wedding worth you not being able to produce any more test naturally for the remainder of your life?
It would be an easy choice for me, but it's in your hands. Best of luck.
Especially if the wifey is wanting kids.
Another very valid point!
Bad idea. Stats need filled out if you post in the forums.
It's a horrible idea to keep goin. U have been shut down for a long time. There is a real chance if u keep goin u will forever destroy your natural test production. Do u want to be trt for the rest of your life just bc u don't want to stop smh horrible idea