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best cycle for physique?

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The only cycle I've done was about 6 years ago. 500mg test e for 12 weeks. No side effects except higher bp and a little emotional on/off for a few days prob not even related to the compound. PCT was a breeze. However I was disappointed with the results. I gained about 30-35 pounds natty before cycle and gained maybe 7-10 pounds upon completing which I assume was mostly water. I didn't look good. Strength gains were incredible. Just not pleased with the physique and I know diet is critical here. I had high expectations.

Considering a second cycle aimed toward physique and lean bulk. What would you suggest?

I was thinking 12 weeks test/npp 400mg per week each with var the last 4-6 weeks at not yet determined dose.

Not scared of tren.

UPDATE I appreciate the comments. I've decided to possibly wait another several months and play with the diet. Also would suck to start a cycle and gyms get shut down again.

PhillyMelvin_Smelvin's picture

Test only and lots of cardio with a good diet if you want to be shredded OR test only and high weight & low reps with a good diet...those should be your only options at this point...good luck

Greg's picture

Maybe because low reps with heavy weight tends to increase muscle mass, while high reps with light weight increases muscle endurance.

So, he is not wrong depending on how he is interpreting the word "physique" as the goal

Since the poster mentioned incredible strength gains from the prior cycle, and his goal is "aimed toward physique and lean bulk. One might assume his intent is to put on mass and not more tone.

In which case, his answer was correct. Yours, not so much.

Greg's picture

I google/copied because I'm dyslexic and find it easier than typing the entire thing out. Not that I didn't know the answer.

I criticized you because you negged Melvin who gave a good answer (giving an answer for both "shredded/toned" and mass based on the posters confusing use of the word physique)

I gave an explanation as to how one might interpret "physique" as gaining mass and not tone.

You should have actually gave your 2 cents and actually advised the OP with what you said above v attacking Melvin.

Are you part of the cancel culture? By negging Melvin, and now myself, for minor disagreements in thought stifles debate and conversation. Negging someone should be reserved for dangerous and inflammatory comments or actions. I did not neg you for your last comment even when I disagreed on your bullying reply to Melvin. But I am now. -6

addicted.to.pain's picture

There is no " Best Cycle for Physique " .

That stage is all diet and hard work , Either you have the Meso-Morph frame and genetics to stand on the Physique stage or you don't .

No amount of Steroids is going to change that.

Jackie Tony's picture

I suggest you to go through this post. Very well written by our community member

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/kiss-keep-it-sim...

Goose24's picture

LOL

Sosa123's picture

I would run test E or C (depending on what you like) with deca .... Thats pretty much about it .... Tren not needed nor any orals .... Get a good diet going .... Keep it clean , n you will do great ... 12 weeks yea .... Youll see some good results yea there will be a bit of water ....but that goes away during PCT

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Makwa's picture

I wouldn't recommend anyone to run a 19-nor if they haven't even been able to master a test only cycle.

Makwa's picture

I guarantee your lack of results was 100% diet related. I'll say it again steroids don't make up for a shitty diet
It is not going to matter what you run if your diet is not dialed in 100% for the goal you are after. Study up on nutrition, nutrient timing, etc if you want to have a successful cycle not on what compounds to run because that does not matter one bit.

SegaKid87's picture

+1 from me, diet is everything! Something that's stated from all successful people in this sport.

SegaKid87's picture

My opinion, you have not yet mastered the first cycle you did. Nice test e which you stated no unwanted sides. Why not dial in your diet more then you did before, dial in your workout even more. Hit everthing alot more precise this time.

You've been off for 6 years, you do not know that your body is the same and will react the same it did all those years ago. So why try something completely new that you will struggle to monitor why you have the sides etc.

I'm no expert far from it, but learning on here daily. Wish you well in your cycle regardless of your choice. Just take your time and choose the rite one.

BawlsDeep's picture

I've still been training these years. Working on diet and continuing to learn/develop/experiment different routines. I circled back to the idea of another cycle after hearing various veterans say their best cycle was usually stacked. like adding nandrolone for example; yielded far better results than test alone. I respect a test only cycle. I figured if I was going to dedicate the time and pct to another cycle why not make it count and try an extra compound?

blackjack115's picture

You can make a test only cycle count. It's been years since your last cycle so you can still make great gains on it. I've done two test only cycles now added about 20lbs on the first and 15 on the second. Why start complicating cycles when you haven't exhausted the basics yet.

SegaKid87's picture

''Veterans'' you can easily make a test cycle count. If you hit diet and workout more then you have before. My opinion based on your information, good luck.