+ 5 Another First Cycle Post for the Pro's
What’s up folks.
I've been read a ridiculous amount of first cycle posts and advice and I'm throwing this post on here because I just want to get a few more opinions on my first cycle based on my individual conditions. I hope you guys can help me out.
I'm 33 and this will be my first AAS cycle. I’ve run quite a few pro-hormone cycles over the past 5-6 years. My most recent one was last year, I ran Hgh + PH for 12 weeks, but now I'm ready to try real gear.
I used to be a professional boxer and have always been skinny (Competition weight: 149). I’ve been lifting for the last 8 years and I've put on a fair amount of weight. But as of last year I decided to get serious.
My current stats are
AGE-33
WEIGHT-190
HEIGHT-5'10''
B.F.- 15%
I know my BF is pretty high and my Pre-CYCLE blood work just came in with High LDL Cholesterol (132 mg/DL). I’m completely altering my diet and I’m putting in an hour of cardio 3 nights a week in addition to boxing 2 nights a week to try to keep the BF & Cholesterol in check. I will also get my blood work done in September 10th, & October 10th to closely monitor my levels.
My goals are to put on 10LBS of lean muscle during my cycle and improve my overall strength and conditioning.
My daily caloric intake is around 3000+ calories & Macronutrient break down is roughly 40/40/20.
I just started my cycle yesterday and it looks like this:
- WEEK 1-12 Test -E 600mg/ml (2 injections a week of 300mg/ml {1 Monday Night - 1 Thursday Morning})
-Optional
HCG & Anastrozole on hand if necessary.
I really want to run an oral with my cycle but not completely sure if I should based on what I’ve read from other people's opinions.
Post Cycle Therapy STARTS WEEK 14 (2 WEEKS AFTER LAST TEST SHOT)
PCT will be
WEEK 1 Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) 40mg
WEEK 2 Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) 40mg
WEEK 3 Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) 20mg
WEEK 4 Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) 20mg
I know I should have posted this before but I was hesitant. Anyways, Here are my questions:
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Should My cycle include: WEEK 1-12 Anastrozole .5mg Every Other Day Just in case?
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Should My cycle include: WEEK 4-12 HCG 500iu just in case?
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Is my PCT garbage? Should I include HCG or Chlomid along with the Nolva in my PCT?
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Is there a high probability that I will die from being so damn fat with high cholesterol during my first cycle?
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Considering my age, experience and condition, could I include 3-4 weeks of Anadrol or Dbol 50mg into my cycle beginning Week 4, or should I just save it for my second cycle?
I’m very serious about what I’m trying to do and I want to do it right. So I’m looking forward to hearing what you guys have to say. Please, any sound advice is welcome. Don’t hold back. I’ve been reading through the forums for the past 2 months preparing for this and I really want to know what you guys think.
Thanks in advance for your time and input. Peace.
J.M.
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@JVice, keep us posted on your progress, both in the gym as well as your emotional status!
Just to give you some good mojo, I'll share a bit of advice that I try like hell to remember, always. When in doubt, smile and do your best to keep your mouth shut when your head is crazy. We all have reasons we can be unhappy, but usually the reasons are all bullshit and out of our control.
Choose happiness.
I've never met anyone who utilizes AAS to meet the goal of "being a better asshole to the people around them." Life can kick you in the balls. Choose to smile, appreciate people for who hey are, and kick ass on the iron, brother!
12 weeks at 600mg a week...
If your diet is on and you put in the work, you will easily exceed your 10lb goal.
Leave those PH cycles behind you and don't ever look back.
Listen to the advise given below and best of luck to you!
Thanks brother. I'm trying to make the best of every day and every training session. I'll definitely check back in with the results.
Personally I'd like to see a pic here if possible. Loads of ph cycles, 5-10 and 190lbs with high cholesterol. I'm
uncomfortable without seeing what we're dealing with.
Call me stupid but I can't figure out how to upload pics on here. Can you give me a clue?
Wait until your 40. That's when it really goes wrong and you start having to get your kids to show you how to use modern technology
Top right drop down menu, submit, submit a picture, self pic then follow the prompts.
Sorry for the late response. I'm working long hours the next few weeks.... The high cholesterol has definitely been stressing me out. I'm totally freaking out about it. I haven't been eating clean for the last 9 months or so and my cardio was lagging. I'm definitely making diet the priority in my plan. I'll get some pics taken and do some measurements sometime this week. I'll post them up as soon as I get it done. Thanks for the suggestion.
This is a good point. Get a pic and a statin to lower LDL, first. Add in cardio and diet modification. Draw BW pre and post intervention. Without a doubt this should be OPs initial intervention prior to exogenous hormone use.
I've completely tapered my diet to cut out all red meats. I've added a few extra days of cardio and I'm trying some natural supplements for the cholesterol. unfortunately I've already pinned twice. I'm going to check my levels again in about 4 weeks and readjust if I don't see a chance in my LDL.
Good suggestions from bros below...if you can get a lipid lowering drug that targets the LDL that is safe and doesnt interact with the Test ur takin, u will be better off when u cycle.
Dont crash estro level with early AI dosing...
Hold the hCG for now...
With all that cardio you may have a hard time putting some weight on. If you are not gaining drop some of the cardio or increase your cals.
I'm hoping to be able to keep my caloric intake high enough to make some decent gains despite all of the cardio. I'm just trying to keep the calories as clean as possible to avoid putting on excess fat. I only want to put on a pound a week. I know I'll inevitably put on some fat, but I want to keep it as close to 15% as possible so I'm measuring every other week. If I don't see any gains by the third week I'm definitely cutting down on the cardio. Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated.
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The other guys have you covered on the cycle advice.
What's your meal plan look like for this? How do you plan on getting your lipids in range?
I've completely cut the red meats. For breakfast I'm only eating one whole egg along with 4 egg whites, a bowl of oatmeal, and fruit. My diet consist of a Five meal paleo-plan from a company called "cated-fit". Each meal is about 425 calories and I throw in 9 slices of deli-cut chicken breast and a glass of skim milk to up the protein count. Catered-fit breaks their meals down to about a 30/30/30 ratio and they keep the saturated fat to under 5 grams. I also have a serving of peanuts and cashews, and a 50g protein shake between meals (whey during the day and after training and casein in the evening).
I've been freaking out about the Lipids I'm kind of at a loss for how to reduce them. So far my plan really simple: an hour of cardio mon-fri. I cut out all of the red meats. I'm taking three servings of Metamucil daily, I'm drinking a ton of green tea and I'm taking green tea and bitter orange extracts. I figure, if this sh!t doesn't cut it then I will go with some real meds. But I'd like to give the diet and cardio a chance before I start on meds.
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RustyhookerNo orals. You don't yet know your estro conversion and dbol can sp in you out.
Pct...need clomid in there.
Plan looks plenty for over 10 pounds. Chat with foods folks.
Blood test week 5 to adjust ai as needed.
Cholesterol is a concern. Gear messes with it as well. Pick lean meats.
I really appreciate the feedback and yea, I think I'll just hold off on the orals for the next cycle.
-I was considering the Chlomid at 100/100/50/50 along with the Nolva for PCT but I wan't completely sure if it was overkill. But in the interest of covering all bases I did pick some up just in case.
- Makes perfect sense to wait for week 5 the blood work to just the AI... Thanks again for the advice!
Clomid for 4 weeks 100/100/50/50 sounds good.
Also you will likely need an AI such as Arimidex or aromasin to be taken during PCT. As for dose you will have to experiment because it's different for everyone. During cycle i'd run arimidex .25mg every third day and adjust as needed, raise to every other day if high estro sides. If you need more than .25mg daily of adex, consider aromasin. It's a little stronger and might have more sides but it should effectively lower estrogen if your body needs it.
During PCT I'd run adex 0.25mg every 2-3 days depending on sides. High estro signs include, sensitive nipples, bloating, overly emotional, tired, etc. If you feel very tired, no sex drive, and creaky joints then your estrogen is too low.
Man... I'm into my second week, third pin, and I think I'm starting to feel high estro sides. I can't really be sure but I'm definitely feeling temperamental.
My main concerns:
1. I'm feeling very emotional: angry most of the time and if not angry sad.
2. Pretty Tired and miserable.
3. My knees are feeling pretty sore and I only did legs once last week. Usually I do twice a week.
A few examples:
On the night of my second pin, maybe 30 minutes after I pinned, I got home and got into an argument with my GF over the dumbest sh!t, as I was explaining to her how pissed off I was I realized that I felt like crying and smashing my head all at the same time. I completely blew the smallest thing she said out of proportion. After I thought about it I apologized and we were good. The next day I woke up feeling like I hated the world--Miserable. I was furious for no reason. I went to the gym and worked it out. I think I was angry for about 5 hours. Then yesterday I almost got into it with my neighbor who I've never had a problem with (In my defense the guy took up both washing machines at the same damn time... and it was Sunday. I don't know what he was thinking). All in all, I've been feeling pretty sh!itty. I'm angry most of the time and if I'm not angry I'm feeling like whiney little B...
-My nipples don't hurt but they are feeling a little sensitive.
-My sex drive is definitely low. I'm not really feeling like getting down, even after me and my girl fought and made up.
-I'm not feeling any bloat, but I'm not really sure what that would feel like.
I wanted to wait until my 5th week to run the Armidex but I'm not sure I should that long. I have 1mg tabs on hand. I thought maybe it may just be my body adjusting but I'm not sure what to do. Should I wait another week or so before I start the Armidex or should I go for it?
You have only just did your third pin. It's all in your head. Get some blood work if you need peace of mind.
I think you're right. Everything is back in check. My mood is good. The libido feels fine and my nipples are a little sensitive but nothing to be alarmed about. Thanks for the heads up. I think I was just in my head.
I think the placebo effect happens a lot on everyone's first cycle. Good to hear things are back in check.
RustyhookerGood to see you back!
X2...been a while....
booom x3.
RustyhookerSounds good! If you start getting sad watching spca commercial, feels like Titty twister, or getting water bloat then start your adex prior to bloods. Everybody is so different that much is learn as you go. You'll also have bloods to prove your decisions.
TronX2 and holy shit is it refreshing to see a person actually do this much research before cycling as well as posting stats and getting bloods done. +1 for the op and for Rustys advice.
Nicely laid out and understandable...easy to read and follow....definitely well planned...
Thank You Brother...