Advice needed for cycle
This will be my 4th cycle. I am 238 pounds, 6'1, 11 percent, 27 years of age. 6 meals averaging about 700-800 calories a meal. I pretty much have all my gear (just waiting for my pct) and had some left over from my last cycle (10ml of EQ and 10ml of super test 300 10ml) Wanted to get peoples opinion if I should add what I didnt use from the last cycle....would it matter? Last cycle I ran about 750 a week susta and 250 EQ. It sucked, never had pip like that before. It felt like my ass cheeks and lower back fused together towards the end. Anyway...I felt maybe I should just resort to what I was doing originally because i rec'd pretty good gains and didnt have to deal with the pain. The only difference in this cycle compared to my first two is the brand of the test E and I am running the dbol the full ten weeks, removal of the Winn, and the clen will be ran for a 2 weeks on and off through the cycle.
I have:
Test E - 500mg a week
dbol- 50mg ED
Armidex
Nolva
HCG
Clomid
Clen, T/3
What I wanted to add was 1 cc of EQ a week and 1cc of this super test 300 (it is a blend). Never tried it before....just wondering if i should or not. Yes or no? Thanks guys!
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Anonas for the comment regarding the HPTA being shut down by Deca.. he's absolutely right.
People think HCG is the cure all for this, but its the farthest thing from it.
Here is the breakdown: when you take HCG it will act as the stimulus that your pituitary needs to begin producing LH, which in turn begins FSH and is one big feedback loop.
SO heres the issues. Of course you seize use of the HCG once your post cycle starts.. so, once you stop that HCG there will be no stimulus and the HPTA axis will fail once again.. and you're back at square one, where your body will not start producing LH on its own.
I suggest if you plan on competing, you spend more time educating yourself on these compounds and what you're putting in your body. as Tread said, running an oral for that duration is absolutely crazy
your lipid profile is the breakdown of your cholesterol. HDL, LDL, VLDL, triglycerides, and total cholesterol are the usual numbers taken. Oh, and LDL to HDL ratio. HDL is the "good" cholesterol, LDL is the "bad" one, oral steroids, strong androgens, and low estrogen levels( which AI's like arimidex can cause) can lower HDL and raise LDL, giving you a bad lipid profile.
With a bad lipid profile, a broken HPTA axis, essentially this cycle would do more harm then good
geez....well what do you suggest to bring the HPTA back....I still dont feel 100 percent.....not even 75 percent of what i use to be in bed....I think this cycle i will just do 3 weeks of dbol at 50mg, 500 test e, armi, and tamo....Sort of hesitant of when to do the clen now....any input on that is appreciated!
And i need to say this...after reading a lot of the stickies this site has created......wtf are these guys doing with 2000mg of test and not even taking breaks...I know three of the guys personally....270 pounds, but look like shit....i cant imagine what will happen to them once they stop....
Anonif only people would listen to me more often...
Grab some clomid and front load it at 300mg/150mg for the first 2 days then run it at 100/100/50/50/50/50/50 its a prolonged dose.. run it at a daily 50mg until you start feeling more natural again.
if you could go get blood work done.. I could better assess you.
tread-mFirst up dbol at 10 weeks , bad idea. Liver enzymes begin to change pretty rapidly in week 5 and then you have several more weeks for toxicity to build. You're young so liver damage beginning now seems not so smart for me. The next thing is you have a great foundation already and bf in check why dbol at all? Maybe tbol but with your current stats I run a simple test/deca brother. Maybe a 600/400 split and get it done in the kitchen and gym as you are already. I don't understand complicated when you have what you have today...would you not rather stack on quality, hell in 5 years you look amazing in a simple mode of thinking considering where you sit today. Dbol is just. Non-starter for you IMO. I don't hate it at 4 weeks given you are getting it done but if I'm 27 in your shoes its nothing but quality cycles for me and clen died right here and now for me too but I won't touch on that much. This is a 12 week deca @ 400 and 14 week test at 600 for me. Sorry to jump off your main question but I see a really nice start there in stats and a 10 week dbol run to F it up and just don't see the science behind it?
Ill shy away from the dbol that long then...I plan on competeting in the sport eventually so, the learning curve over the past two years has been insane. I like the results everyone is getting on Deca.....but man,I dont want to get the Deca dick. I already had to go through almost 4 months of low libido etc....just now recovering....I am hoping the hcg will counter that this go around....Is deca really that bad?
Yes deca over the duration of 12 weeks will shut down HTPA and recovery can be a bitch. I never ran HCG and im sure it will help with recovery but if it were me and I just did 4 months with low libido id consider EQ over deca, your stats are good for a EQ cycle and the recovery can be much easier than deca. No dought D-bol has some very appealing characteristics but it also brings on lots of water, as tread said t-bol would be more up your alley.
would the Armidex keep the water at bay with the dbol? That is why i considered the gains worth the ten weeks, but now thinking of the liver and the toxicity....man....i dont know if it is worth it. I just keep reading about pros and their cycles and it makes me think....ok they are just as human as me....if anything it is the HG keeping their organs in check....i just dont want to end up like chicarillos buddy....I forget his name....tom prince i think? His cycle was insane....
I ran adex with d-bol and it didnt keep the water off. and 10 weeks is entirely to long, 6 is the logest "advised" to take an oral, but generally 4 is recommended. Anyways I stop gaining after weeks 4 on D-bol so why continue with the heartburn and not being able to put your socks on, or reach around and wipe your ass! Yes even that became difficult! The cycles that pro's do I generally dont believe, because ive ramped up some mg's in past cycles and got no more gains but alot more sides.
agreed on the increase. i know when i first started i never gained so much weight that fast in my life. the wiping of the ass..that was the worst lol.....Plus ramping up period...I got acne like i was in High school this last time i went over 1000 susta/eq. My buddy had a friend who died from doing around 2000, in his 30s...so that is why i dont really believe it. I wonder if these guys are getting blood panels done. I think that is the number one mistake that i am doing right now....I believe you should just ramp up to a certain amount based off your natural test levels...Then the diet and years of juice is what makes you big. That is my theory to why most pros are in their 30s...catch up just means excess sides to deal with.....does that sound right to anybody? I am willing to do that much when i make enough money to do it...but right now i am doing all i can to just compete in a show for the experience...didnt really understand the diet and juice part till i was around 24....very naive, sheltered......
Anonyour bodies AGE has NOTHING to do with handling mass doses of steroids if thats what you're implying.. if a 25 and 35 year old run the same high ass, stupid, retarded dosage.. both are equally inclined to fuck themselves up.
bro, you seriously have a fucked up perception on steroids and how to use them.. I suggest to spend more time researching before you end up like your friend.
Agreed. I read up on it a lot last night, then about all of the pros that had kidney failure, thing is, it was a combination of things but mainly diuretics...where are the articles about the guys dying from just anabolics? I plan to get that big or at least to the point where I can step on stage looking full, with which, my frame, will easily be in the 250 range. I feel on my current path it is very possible, just trying to get the right guidance. My perception is from poor advice and speculation of many from the web. So far this place seems like a solid source with people who care. So thanks for all the suggestions.
Nasty81NateU got a lot more research ahead of you bro...running dbol for 10 weeks and even having t3, while asking questions like these throw up flags IMO. U got more research for sho.
First what's your cycle history, what compounds did you run, how many mg of each per week, and how long did u run them?
First off thanks for responding....I know that I have a lot of research to do, but there is a lot of misinformation out on the web. The whole dbol for 10 weeks came from another site claiming that their recommendations would be the "modern" arnold cycle.So with my height and stats i figure, hey, pack on some more weight and cut down to around 225.....hasnt been the case at all over the past few years. The biggest issue is there are no true gurus here where i live, they are all gym rats who blast and look like shit. There is a local pro that trained me but he does not give advice on that stuff. So, I am sort of stuck. I have been piecing advice together and reading a lot. The tren ect is stuff i havent messed with yet. I figured next go around i would do that, then the following HG and test.....anyway....here is my history
1st cycle
Test E at 250 x 2 for ten weeks followed by clomid
Starting weight 210 End weight 255 16 percent
2nd cycle
Test E at 250 X 2 plus the last 4 weeks of the ten I did 50 MG of Winn. Nolva through out, clomid at end for pct
Starting weight 225 end weight 240 11 percent
3rd cycle
Susta at 750 (Total) plus 500 EQ 2x a week. Last 4 weeks clen ramped from 20mcg to 100 then back down again, nolva throughout and clomid for pct.
Starting weight 232 end weight 222 8 percent
This time i want to aim for 225 6 percent, then then next cycle will be my first show. I want to come in at 230 solid. The dieting for me, is where it is at...
I know i really messed up on the PCT and i didnt know you were supposed to be off as long as you are on. I sort of had short periods of rest between each. So...my sex drive has been gone almost for 4 months but is slowly coming back....It sucked for sure...anyway...that explains the HCG this go around. I can do 4 weeks of the Dbol if that is what you recommend and end it with Winn....i just dont know how to structure a solid cycle with what i have.
thanks again for your help!