posted Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:19
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3rd cycle winny or var?
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I will be starting my third cycle in about 2 months and was looking to get some advice from people who know what they are talking about. I'm 30 years old 5'8" 170 lbs. 10% bf. In my first two cycles I have used Sustanon, Test Cyp, Deca, and Dbol. PCT on first cycle was nil and I lost all but 5lbs gained. Last cycle I gained 18lbs, did my PCT right, and kept 12.
Next cycle will be test e @ 500mgs for twelve weeks. I would like to use a kickstart. What should I use? Prop, Dbol, or......? Or should I not use one?
Also, I would like to throw in either var or winny at the end. Which would be better? And should I run it for weeks 9-14 until I start PCT?
All help is much appreiciated.
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I like Var...Winny is hard on the hairline.
Awesome guys, really appreciate the help. Already have some test e on the way, now I'll have to start buying the rest of the stuff I need. Thanks again.
tread-mSounds like you are wanting gains but stay with the quality and lean? If the thoughts are right then here's an easy little run with real nice potential if the diet is big in cals/protein and clean. If you really want to close nice with the var you kill your carbs in the final 4 and only have carbs with breakfast and keep that protein high.
1-10 test E 500 split
1-4 test prop 100-150eod
11-12 test prop 100 eod
8-12 var split @ 80 ed
10-12 hcg @ 250 every 3 days
1-12 Aromasin 6.25 eod
Liver supps "always"
Standard pct clom/nolv begins 3 days after last pin...drink water all day!
What kind of liver supps do you use? I have milk thistle, but that's all I have.
tread-mThat's it right there
frankie-fix1weeks 1-4 100mgs test prop eod
weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week
weeks 8-14 75mgs winny or 75mgs var ed (or even tbol)
weeks 1-14 0.25mgs adex eod
weeks 1-14 500iu hcg per week
3 days after last var/win/tbol tab start pct
nolvadex 40/20/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25
proviron 25/25/25/25
thats how i would run your proposed cycle
now as far as whats better var/win/tbol
its all down to personal pref and body type
you at 10% now right?
if you could get down to 8% by the time you start your cycle and then down to 6-7% by the time you introduce the winny or var/tbol either of those orals will give super results at the end but if you really want my honest opinian i would go with 100 mgs of winny every day
this is have you as hard as a rock and looking in really really great shape while feeling like a brick ,winny is the one for me tbo i love the stuff and at a low body fat its the best compound out of all the orals imo
Hey, can you use proviron in PCT? I thought it was a steroid in its own right and should be used on cycle. You could be right, i really don't know the answer to this one:)
frankie-fix1yes prov can be used in pct at a low dose
it will not effect HPTA recovery but will keep you in a very low anabolic state keeping pct blues away leading to the none excistants of things like ,no sex drive,no appitite,fitige,ect,ect
its a real good compound in pct
it will also help get spearm count back up very fast too .
Cheers buddy. I've had some in the cupboard for ages. Now I know what to do with it.
zewiyepers...X2---and you will shoot peter north loads...
Looks like the old Frankie is back, posting up nice helpfull info.
tread-mThis is new and improved, Frankie 4.0
tread-mLol...had my reply pulled up and walked away, saw this after post! Nice little run there with a dht kicker to boot, looks good.
frankie-fix1Thanks buddy
your layout also looks good
as we know there is a shit ton of ways to run/stack all different kinds of aas its great to get different replies with different compounds and ai,s so we can best Taylor the correct cycle for that individual .
Yes...prop 100eod.. Its much easier. Clean dry gains. Winny 9-14...yes. I'm going to finidh with 30Mg/split thru day...tabs. Less pins with an oral....take with grapefruit juice if possible. The oil based winnies are less pip and better than aqueous imo.
Have adex or aromasin for ai. Nolva and clomid for pct