3rd Cycle - Input appreciated
I'll be starting my third cycle third week of July.
225lbs 12% bf.
Goal: Put on 10-15 lbs lean and harden up.
Planned Cycle:
Sust 250mg EOD 1-16
Eq 200mg E3D 1-14
Var 50mg ED 10-16
HCG 250IU E3D
Adex .25mg ED
PCT will consist of both clomid and nolva.
clomid day 1 - 150mg _ day 2-14 - 100mg ed _ 15-28 - 50mg ed
nolv day 1 - 60mg _ day 2-14 - 40mg ed _ 15-28 - 20mg ed
I want a great cycle while keeping it fairly simple and sides mild.
I'm pretty set of sust, I want to give it a try. Tell me what you guys think of the schedule as well as Eq effectiveness for my end goal.
Also, while too inexperienced in my early 20's I had no idea what and AI was during my very first cycle [test prop] and got some gyno I cant seem to shake. Any tips?
all input/criticism/ideas/reinforcement appreciated!
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If I were going to try a cycle like this, I would switch the Var with Winny. It'll work better with the Sust and Eq. Plus it'll help with your goal a little better then Var will. Not to mention that it's not as expensive and will provide extra pump before workouts.
As for your gyno. Get some Letro. See if it'll help. With most people it'll help combat existing gyno.
Use it for about 3 wks. See what happens (not while on cycle, shuts down too much estro and you'll need some with that Eq and Sust running in you.
I'm more conservative on my inject dosages. I end up getting pretty good results on 600mg of Sust a week. I always feel that you should take the lowest possible dosage that makes your goal possible(I get blood work done a few weeks into the cycle and adjust accordingly). I can't back it up with any science, but I just feel that your body will build resistance attempting to reach homeostasis faster at higher dosages. Might be burned at the stake for saying that, but as I said its just an opinion...
SwolePatrole7Id just do the eq and the sust every other day that way u can pin em together, that would still only be 700mg of eq per week which is close to perfect. 800 would be my preference.
I agree. I believe 800 is perfect for EQ. I know they say 16 weeks at 600mg at the minimum but why not just do 18 weeks at 800mg that's optimal IMHO.
angusx3 on that one. I would like to add that I would lower the sustanon though, Old school thought is to keep the test higher than anything else, but lately that has been challenged with promising results. You want to pick your primary compound and use it's characteristics to the max. You seem to want the results from the eq the most so I would make that your primary compound, run it at 800mg like Abaddon suggested and drop that test to 150mg eod at the most. Just my .02 though.
Your .02 equals a $1 IMO. The purpose of test is to just keep the test functions. Ie libido and so on. Say if you ran Eq and test at 600mg each for 10 weeks. You can use that time to put on more mass. Now after week 10 you can keep the Eq at 600 and drop the test to 300mg. This will actually help a lot with leaning out. Which was the main idea when I started this run that I'm on now. +1 Bro.
Abaddon, your stats show to be more experienced than ragetrip. I want to know what are your personal thoughts on the use of winny vs var on this type of cycle with my goal in mind. I have 25mg win tabs on hand and 60 ml of 50mg/ml liq var on hand. I could use either. Honestly I'm stoked to try var but do you think win would be more effective with sust and eq? (Feel free to reply as well SwolePatrole7) My bro in law seems to think var is a god sent gift and what ive read on it the shit is some amazing stuff. I've read winny drys joints, is much rougher on your liver (one of the most toxic), and has effects on bone brittleness. I'm not downing it for a cutting agent but I definately believe that it will help you in a cutting cycle. (Note what I'm really looking for) I want lean muscle mass and harder muscles but not necessarily looking to cut up here.
What do you guys think about this guys input? ..... Win VS Var?
You really have to take a look at a few things. Yes winny is known for possibly drying out joints. If you've had past history of joint pain then stay away from the winny. Why take something that's going to make you hurt? It's not worth the risk to me. IMHO winny is for women or somebody getting ready to compete. I'm pretty sure you have a penis and your not going to a show.
The Var. That's the shit! I agree with your bro. It is a god send. Eq and var is an awesome combo. The var will harden you up a little bit but expect a lot of vascularity. Especially with the Eq. You'll get some strength gains from it. It is milder on the liver. You can run it the last 8 weeks. I think 50-75 mg a day would be ideal. If it was my cycle I would lower the sust a little bit. Raise the Eq. Run the Var and ditch the winny. Be sure to run you test a couple of weeks longer than your Eq. Eq has such a long half life.
I appreciate the input more than you know. Will let you know how it treats me. Thanks again & happy cycling.
Revised:
Sust: 125eod - 1-20
Eq: 400e3d - 1-18
var 75mg ed - 14-20
hcg 250iu e3d throughout and nolv and clomid PCT.
angusBOOM. Dead nuts on brother! After that answer I consider this thread dead. Perfect. +1
Thank you homie! Congrats on level 3 btw.:-)
angusThanks brother, your woman was tickled with herself to be able to provide that 200th karma point. You'd be what? Around 500 now if you wouldn't have given up your shreddedcheddar account? I know it was up there and you had to start over, correct?
Yea I would be around 300+ but oh well. Shit happens.:-)
Optimal, I agree, but I don't know that I want to get that close to a full gram/wk introducing a new compound. I think I'll bump it up to 600/wk for the first 4 or so and see how I handle that. Bro in law tells me eq's real magic hits after week 12 and he told me to run it for 16 or 18 and sust 20.
I definitely would bump eq to 200 eod and probably lower sust to 125 or 150 eod up the var to at least 60 mg ed split up in at least 2 doses if not 3. You will get better results with that.