posted Mon, 11/11/2013 - 11:09
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2nd bulk cycle advise please
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27 years old,i weight around 160. 5'8". i workout 5 days a week...been working out for more than 4 years. i did my first cycle 500 mg of test twice a week and completed my pct and took enough break.
now planning a bulk cycle , i need some help planning this and figured i need to take advise from experienced people.
Planning to do
Cycle length- 12 to 14 weeks.
Testosterone Cypionate 600 mg/ week
deca 200-400/ week
25mg dbol every day for the first 6-8 weeks of the cycle.
PCT starts 2 weeks after the last test injection.
Need help with PCT
doses- clomid? Nolva?
will use arimidex eod 0.5mg since i am prone to gyno
appreciate the help.
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I think this can be settled very simply.
1) Your Diet is an extreme problem.
2) You definitely dont need to run the proposed cycle
3) I'm not convinced you are ready to run ANY sort of cycle at 160lbs after a test cycle, theres a problem.
4) Quit relying on compounds, rely on food instead
5) EAT EAT EAT, get bigger then come back here with a test only proposal
hey bro, you wrote in your previous post that you gained 8lbs and then dropped 24. What was your BF% before your last cycle? The reason you were dissatisfied is because you ran something wrong. You don't need to add new compounds. You need to go back and fix the TEST only problem.
If it wasn't your diet or training then check this out. For those numbers to work, your BF was too high. Also, you said you had trouble with water retention. Did you have any other signs of estrogen? You didn't do bloodwork, you didn't have an AI, and you didn't do a proper PCT. You only got 8 lbs. You should have doubled that. I'm thinking your e2 was elevated and prevented you from gaining.
No one should tell you to add another compound until you have learned how to run Test. A lot of guys on this board think the first 3 cycles should be Test only. MedX fr'd you in the last post. Get with him about bloodwork and AI and PCT. Then do the Test only again.
Why would you want to run Deca before you have learned to run Test only. Running that cycle you will need to understand how to control for estrogen, prolactin, and liver support. Learn to control your E first. Then your discipline.
Again bro, i'm sorry about my dickish and condescending previous post. It's not the voice i want to have on this forum. This is my first venture into any forum. This is sincere man. Just do the Test and do it right. You will gain.
bro, i would take every bit of help i can get. dont worry. what happened last was that i did 8 weeks of pro hormone and gained around 15 pounds on that 8 week cycle. i did pct for 20 days for that then with one of my friends advise i started test c cycle and did it for around 14 weeks.
i had problem with gyno (sore nipples) so i used Armidex 0.5 eod. end of the cycle my nipples were fine no soreness anymore.
i did take good amount of protein, didnt do any cardio on the cycle. i was looking to get big but not a lot of weight gain atleast what i expected.
so figured adding deca and dbol would do the trick
UFOThats the issue brother! You think that adding new compounds will do the trick. The trick and secret is literally what you eat. Thats about 70% of the game. You would be able to keep all gains with a serious diet. Dont take any of this as me bashing you but its the truth, I was in your shoes before. Used to think that new compounds or heavier doses were the secret to more gains. Dont get me wrong, you will gain if running all that gear, but maybe 50% of the gains you would be able to get with a serious diet plan. If you are not constantly sick of cooking and eating every TWO hrs, then you arent eating enough. It becomes a full time job. All Tennessee is trying to say is, you get the solid diet plan down and all the gains will come naturally. Add in a moderate test cycle and boom, you blow up because your body can finally process all the extra protiens are you eating!! Eat BIG get BIG...If you are that set on the deca...go Test cyp 5-600 ew and deca at 3-400ew. Drop the dbol cuz its pure shit gains, almost all water.
thats some great advice bro, I will drop the dbol and adjust my diet for sure...
so would you suggest just doing test c 500 to 600 ew
or adding deca 300 to 400 ew with it. considering i am going to eat lotta food with strict diet plan.
UFOPersonally, for a second cycle I think it would be OK to add the deca at a low dose. Make sure you have caber or prami to control prolactin, along with proper AIs! Shoot me a FR if you want to talk about it more through PMs I don't check the forums too much...
Thanks bro, FR sent.
You can definitely pack on 15-20 solid pounds easy on another test run. No reason to burn out yet. How were your gains and diet on your first cycle?
i gained around 8 pounds on first cycle....i was looking big but not a lot of weight gain...I'm going to change up my diet for sure, will add more protein, carbs and fats this time
RustyhookerObviously your foods are keeping you small. The proposed cycle is garbage. Eat your way up in solid pounds!!
UFOX2! At only 160 after running a cycle already just says you don't eat properly bro, the gear would basically be wasted. Hit up the weight gaining sections for some solid diet ideas
i was 185 since i started cutting i lost lotta water weight and also i am doing carb cycling.
its winter time and time to pack the muscle. please help me with the cycle
Don't agree with you jumping into a 19-Nor your second cycle or the dbol. I also don't see any prolactin control listed. What are your plans? Do some research, and come back with a solid plan.
Agreed x2
Looks like you know what aas to take; what about the diet?
Since i am cutting right now i am doing carb cycling. no to medium carbs then 2 days high carbs. I will be back on my diet, will add more protein, carbs and fats to my diet for sure.
what do you think of the cycle. Will appreciate your help if you can come up with proper PCT for this cycle.
If your looking to bulk up you have to take in massive amounts of carbs and protein as a followup. You should start with a basic test cycle. I am all for less is more so you should do something like this
Test e or c 250-400 a week. Stick to a single esther so you know what works and what doesn't.
At that low of a dose you shouldn't need an anti e unless you are prone to it. If you are pick up some arimidex, exemestine, and some letro and do some research here on what each one does during a cycle. Don't take them all either read up on what each one does as letro is a suicide inhibitor and will destroy all estro which is a very bad thing unless guys at the gym are talking to your chest instead of you HEY, MY EYES ARE UP HERE! I don't normally give cycle advice but I don't mind giving simple cycles because THEY WORK lol.
so just using test C cycle would do the trick...i only used armidex for my first cycle because of sore nipples..like i said, it was cleared out at the end of my cycle. now i am fine