1st cycle questions help!
So I have been doing a ton of research but my guy who has been in the game for 20+ years is recommending the following for my first cycle. Could yall help me dissect this cycle so that I can go back to him and sound educated? First off 6'6 300lb 29yo 20%BF looking to lean up. He has recommended Test P & Tren because he said it will build more muscle and burn more fat even when I cycle off. He hasn't recommended any anti-gyno, if he can't get any where is the best recommendation to get some and how should I take it? Any help would be much appreciated.
His suggestion for my cycle is Test P & Tren for 10 weeks
1&2 week 125mg of Test P & Tren pinned twice a week on Sunday Night and Wednesday Morning for a total dose of 250mg of both a week.
3-8 week 125mg of Test P & Tren pinned three times a week Sunday night Wednesday morning and Friday morning for a total of 400mg of both a week
9&10 dial it back just like first two weeks.
What should I do for my PCT??
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It seems like your intentions are good here but I am going to be blunt. Why in the hell do you think you need to run a cycle of AAS to lean up when you are 20% BF. Most people underestimate their BF so you are likely even more than that. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that you should even think about using AAS to "lean up." This is getting to be total bullshit. Everyone thinks that running a cycle of steroids is going to knock off all their bodyfat and turn them into the next greatest physique model. This is all diet my friend. Steroids aren't mystical magical fat burning agents. Show some discipline and start dieting. You shouldn't need any AAS until you get into the low teens or single digits where it then becomes more difficult to lose fat and the assistance of AAS is warranted. Untlil then, get on this diet and come back when you have knocked off 15% of your BF with it naturally without subjecting yourself to unneeded drugs and then we can talk about cycling. And by the way, that guy you are talking to is an ass for recommending that cycle to you. I am wondering what kind of diet advice he is giving you also since the drugs aren't going to do shit for you without a diet structured to your goal.
Once again trying to keep it real here
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/your-fi...
Tell your friend to join. Welcome to EROIDs. You coming here puts you three steps ahead of him...
This dude is setting you up for failure. Probably just trying to make some money. I suggest you read this.
Real shit.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/crooked-coach...
GearofWarWhat about the glaring lack of a dopamine agonist here for prolactin related sides on the 19Nor gear? Sure an AI is a must for estrogenic sides but what if you run into issues with Deca/Tren dick or you develop gyno from prolactin? Bumming bro. So many people leave out Caber/Prami/Bromo when discussing Deca and Tren. You've gotta have all of your shit on lock before going into this half-cocked. Otherwise you're going to find yourself in the middle of a shit storm without so much as a raincoat or umbrella. I agree with everyone else here though. A "friend" is trying to kill you it seems so firstly I would reevaluate this so-called friendship. Secondly I would research this stuff myself, and check the broscience at the door. Your friend is a chump and needs to not try to harm his buddies. Remember, "Test is best" especially for your first cycle.
Thanks for all the help I just wanted to be sure that I was doing the right thing by asking him to change it up. As it is my first cycle I wanted to be very sure about what I am putting in my body. I do agree with you about getting my BF down so I will work on that first. I can't seem to get a solid when it comes to AI dosing while on cycle. Is it an every day dose in the morning and what mg? After reviewing I now see what PCT schedule to use. I am going to ask for a Test P and Test E cycle to start me off when I have gotten my BF down. Thanks for the help
AI dosing is different for each individual. Bloodwork helps with this around week 6-7 for a 12 week cycle. Monitor for signs of high estrogen like acne and/or edema in the ankles when you first start your injections. Focus on week 3 for signs of raising estro level. You may not have any signs. I have used exemestane 6.25mg every day on a test only cycle 500mg/wk. And i have used it 12.5mg eod. Arimidex .25mg every 3 day works for people too. Do some research and learn what both AIs do. One blocks aromatase and the other destroys.
You're better off using test e only for your first cycle. This is all related to estrogen control.
When mixing test p and test e, the half lives are very different. This means that as your body absorbs it, estrogen will be made. When you run one coumpound, AND GET BLOODWORK, You can tweak and solidify your AI dosing. This gives you a baseline for comparison when you may add test p in a later cycle. Read the links about AI I posted, this will give you a general idea about how to run and adjust it.
Once again, I am saying that you should use ONLY Testostorone enanthate on your first cycle. As for your guy, Id keep my distance from him.
I've already posted here a bunch so here's some links to help you out.
Damn that was a lot of copy/paste.
Your guy reccomended Tren for your first time?
I wouldn't listen to anything he says about anything in that case, not even a book reccomendation.
Tren shouldn't be considered at all. And the fact that he reccomended the steroid infamous for having the worst side effects and complications is worrying.
First you need to get you bf down to 15% or so. This will make the results of your first cycle even better. Also, I really wouldn't consider cutting on cycle, leave that for the doet work off cycle.
no this is a terrible cycle..
first, you really should post up a diet that show that you know how to properly diet before during and after your cycle
second, it would be optimal that you lose a bit more bf prior to cycling
third, you can tell him that using two unknown compounds at the same time is a recipe for a HUGE disaster
fourth, testosterone is thermogenic and a test only cycle with a proper diet and proper training will add muscle and burn fat
fifth dont ever do a cycle with tren without an ai on hand
sixth what is your post cycle therapy look like or did he forget that
seventh and most important FIRE his ass he doesn't have a CLUE
His freind is worrying me.
Test and tren first time
No AI
No pct
No on cycle ancillaries.
Wtf?
that is NOT a friend
Really wouldn't be surprised if that's the guy he's getting the gear from.
I find it kind of funny that the OP asked for help so he can sound educated when he goes back to the guy. 10 minutes spent on this site would qualify him for that.
i figured the same .. on both counts