+ 4 1rst cycle -advice-
Hi guys, my name is Gabriel, from Spain (sorry, my English is not that good). I have a few doubts on how to run properly a first cycle and PCT.
I'm 34 years old, 1'83 cm tall, 77kg, 11%body fat, ectomorph/hard gainer. I've been hitting the gym for the last 4 years non stop. My goal is to gain size but keeping it as lean as possible, (and being able to maintain it?) And obviously, minimizing the side effects. My "heroes" are Steve Reeves, Frank Zane, John Corvello... Old school.
I've being reading a lot of stuff, watching videos, etc, but the more I go into it, the more confused I get. For each question I have, I find 20 different answers, and some are just the opposite to one another. I've asked in some other forums, but I would like to double check with you guys...
I can get certain gear from pharmacy, that includes: Test (3 kinds), Sust250, Proviron, Aromasin, Clomid, Nolvadex, HCG (Pregnyl). I can get gear from another sources, supposedly trustworthy (but who knows), just in case you want to recommend me to use some other stuff.
My 1rst cycle plan, after doing all that research, was something like this:
10 (¿or 12?) weeks.
week 1: 500mg Test cy (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 2: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 3: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 4: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 5: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 6: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 7: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 8: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 9: 500mg Test (250-250?)/ 50mg proviron
week 10: 500mg Test (250-250?) / 50mg proviron
week 11: 500mg Test (250-250?) / 50mg proviron / HCG 1000iu (500-500?)
week 12: 500mg Test (250-250?) / 50mg proviron / HCG 1000iu (500-500?)
week:13: HCG 1000iu (500-500?)
week 14: HCG 1000iu (500-500?)
during cycle as well:
Aromasin eod (12.5mg)
Fish Oil, vitamins, good food, etc.
Week 15, start PCT (until week 18):
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
What would be your recommendations?
Any insights?
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Great post man! Wish all newcomers looking for advice took the time to write a detailed post like this. I just want to say you might want to spend some time working on your diet and workout routine if it took you 4 years to put on 7kg . Get that straightened away then when you run this cycle you will get massive! +1
Yes bro, a few guys here have been kind enough to assist me with my diet already, and I'm getting prepared as much as I can. Thank you!
Really good advice below my man and I have to commend you on your attitude and your willingness to research and ask for advice and more importantly to listen to it.
A couple of things from me - the half life of aromasin is quite short so when you're ready to cycle you will want to go with an every day schedule. I'd suggest 6.25mg ed. Definitely stay away from sustanon for a first run. Test e is better because it's just one ester and the pinning is just twice per week. Clomid dose might be a little light so I would start with 100mg for at least the first week.
Good luck brother!
I see your point with the aromasin, thanks for pointing that out.
how's your experience so far with steroid use? health and gains?
Here is something I put together for hardgainers such as yourself to help build muscle. I wouldn't be to worried about putting some fat on. The pure definition of hardgainer means that you should be able to get rid of that fat in heartbeat. You need to be more concerned about getting calories into you so you can build and maintain muscle. That is the hardpart. Loosing fat should be a breeze for any hardgainer with their super high metabolism. Make sure you can keep gaining naturally before you cycle. You are going to have to eat even more while on a cycle.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/the-har...
I'm going to read that with pleasure bro, thank you
6 foot tall, 77kgs, 11 percent body fat is quite thin, you should put another 10kgs atleast before cycle, your research is heading in the right direction though, keep that up, keep researching, adjust your food and bulk up for a year or so, then run a cycle if needed, 77 kgs at 6 foot, you have no frame yet.
yeah, I'm 5'11" and it took me 4 years to put 7 or 8 kg of muscle, and it was quite hard. Eating a lot, 5 or 6 days gym per week, sleeping well, no drinking, etc, And still, my body seems to be reluctant to grow.
That's why I'm hoping that steroids would help me with that, but maybe I'm wrong..
Anyway, thanks for the advice
no worries, when you say eating alot, what does your meal plans consist of?
I was thinking the same. Do you want o list out a typical day in terms of diet?
yes sure,
more or less this is what i eat every day:
Breakfast (8am): 4 eggs (not only white), oats with banana, peanut butter, walnuts, greek yogurt.
Before lunch (11am): turkey sandwich, 2 eggs.
Lunch (2pm): if possible, red meat, salad, dessert (fruits, yogurt, ice cream, etc) If not chicken. 2 eggs. Sometimes pasta, rice, fish, etc. Everyday I change here.
Before gym: creatine, dextrose. After gym: protein shake/weight gainer
Snack time: turkey sandwitch, donuts.
Dinner (9pm): meat, pasta, whatever I didn't ea for lunch. Eggs.
Before going to sleep (12 pm): protein shake.
If I'm not sleeping yet, I go to the kitchen and grab some ice cream, yogurt, fruit, sandwich or whatever I have.
Lack of real complex carbs, which is why you're struggling to gain weight. You do that by adding things like this into your diet.Wholemeal pasta, brown rice, oats, sweet potatoes, quinoa. Low GI carbs are going to be your best friend here. Eat as much of them as you like.
Quite a bit of sugar, which I don't overly like. You're trying to gain weight, so I'm not going to say lose it, but just remember that's space in your appetite that could be better utilised by the above. After workout, dextrose is fine. Otherwise swap out at least some of the sugars for low GI carbs.
Protein looks ok. Meat / fish / eggs. Veg? I don't see any. You need some green veg in your diet, spinach, brocolli etc. I think of my meals in three parts, protein / carbs / veg. They contain an element of all three.
I don't mind seeing you eat some crap here and there, but as stated, use your petite to at least 80-90% rather than maybe 50-60 as you are at the moment. Same amount of good, less "empty calories".
Make sense?
1-Low GI carbs to gain weight, noted.
2-Appetite could be better use by Low GI carbs instead of sugars. I like that.
3-Spinach, Brocolli in my shopping list for tomorrow.
Make sense and I'm grateful for your help, man.
No problem mate. Drop me a line if you need help.
I will, thank you
yeah, catalyst is the diet guru around these parts, its not the worst ive seen, but its not a bulikng diet,can be improved nicely for big gains.
what would you suggest? how would you improve it?
or, where can I find a proper bulking diet instruction?
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
thanks dude
no worries mate, gave you some karma for being a cool headed dude, head up there and you will be looked after, get them gains.
I forgot to ask you... Keeping in mind that food is very important, and if I make the right adjustments,
would you say that my test cycle is good enough? Any suggestions?
my advice is too send a friend request to catalyst, he is an expert and will look after you very well, getting advice from him is like pure gold, i would not pass it up man, your cycle is not far off from being correct, but you need a few adjustments, trust me, talk to catalyst, dont be shy mate.
done!
awesome. I wish you the best.
TronSustanon is 4 different esters and we recommend one compound for a first cycle. Drop the proviron and sustanon.. go with one long ester at same dosage. Test E or Test C. I know you want to use it because it's readily available where you live but Sustanon because your dealing with 4 esters is not considered one compound. PCT looks decent..at 500mg a week of test C or E go 12-14 weeks and HCG may not be needed for such a short and low dose cycle. Most importantly is your diet as always.
+1 for doing your research.. it's obvious you researched well but I think you only researched the compounds that were readily available to you.. good to see you did research before you blindly asked for advice however.
Thank you man, yes, I did a little bit of research, but at one point i got confused. And yes, at the end I just focused on the compounds I have available, ur right.
I'll drop the sustaton250, noted.
12-14 weeks, noted.
I've already brought tho the hcg, proviron, clomid, nolvadex and aromasin (it was a good chance, so I did)
But I guess I can use those thing any other time.
My questions are:
-why do you think that hcg may not be needed? are my balls going to be ok despite 12/14 weeks of cycle? No need to prevent shrinkage or help with the pct?
-is it too bad if I use proviron as well? what would be the good and the bad?
Thank you bro
TronProviron lowers SHBG which allows for more total testosterone to become bioavailable. By itself it's pretty useless. You wont need anymore of the test that you are already putting in your body especially on a first cycle. You want to know how your body responds ONLY on test..that is how we build a foundation for future cycle and ultimately next time you run a cycle you will already know what to expect from test alone and if you add another compound and something goes wrong...you feel different..your blood pressure goes up..etc you will most likely know it's the new compound you have added to your cycle. Save the proviron for your next cycle. As far as HCG goes it's really up to you. What I meant was you may not need it to recover fully from PCT on such a short and simple cycle. Your testicle will shrink however, and for cosmetic purposes you can use HCG to keep the boys hanging lol. It will also help you recover faster in most cases..just remember HCG causes estrogen levels to rise as well and tends to make you more gyno prone..That's why I didn't really recommend it for this cycle.
I see, I understand now. I need to try test alone and see what it does to my body first, got it.
About my balls, well, it was not for cosmetic reasons, but I've read somewhere that hcg helps to enter pct better, and sometimes prevents your body to completely shut down (so less risk of serious complications??)
But from your response, I feel that it isn't really necessary or may cause some other complications.
Maybe a lower dose?
Anyway, thanks a lot.
You did pretty good research and your cycle is pretty close to what we recommend but needs a little tweeting, so I recommend you to hit the pull down tab click community and then groups and the join the beginners cycle group and they will critique your cycle for you.
Thank you, I've already post this in beginners forum
No thank you! You've done your research and followed the advice of our well seasoned vets. +1 enjoy your cycle my friend.
freaking nice people here man