posted Tue, 01/21/2025 - 12:22
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PROVIRION ON VS PCT OFF CYCLE
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So I'm very curious with experiences here of running PROVIRION on a cycle instead of another anti-estrogen ancillary and it's effectiveness.
PROVIRION also has been notable used with some to much success during PCT, although there are conflicting views for various reasons regarding this....,
Thoughts. Comments and experiences for gaining wisdom please and thank you gents..., and pro ladies.
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I'm using a 5 test blend at 400mg/week with only 1-200mg of DHB/week. I respond like crazy to this test sweet spot for me. The blend does have 100mg of test decoanate and 120mg of test cyp. DHB as far as I no has little to zero affinity for estrogen conversion. So my thinking was to add 50mg PROVIRION daily to enable each compound to be utilized more effectively. And to combat the smaller levels of estrogen conversion during the 12 week run. I have PCT items HCG and other ancillaries for post run.
Provi will stop your pct via feedback loop. If you want a stronger pct then thats the time to splurge on some hgh. High estro or prolactin during pct halts things as well. I run aro at 6.25 first 2 weeks into pct. Lowers e2 and boosts igf1. Hgh balances out the axis. Preserves gains.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/hgh-peptides/rhgh/hgh...born-again
I've used HGH to or 3-4 years total on the past. Humatrope 72iu and Pfizer at 3-4 is per day. Never heard anything regarding it resting axis. Where can I find more info on this? Thanks bro
That link above. The guy has a guru tag and his forums are well laid out.
big.swole above you mentioned your dosing and provi on cycle. 25mg a day is plenty until over a gram of test is being used. The sweet part of provi or orals in particular is their ability to lower your Sbgh. As you boost testosterone your body fights back to get back to a natural balance by raising Sbgh. That sbgh holds the test from cleaving and becoming free test. Free test is whats ready to be used right now. So during a cycle on long esters the raise in sbgh isnt immediate. Same idea as week 4 for blood test is peak dosing. Anyways, i run provi week 4 til pct to keep the free test up, useable and available.
Dhb vs testosterone. Dhb has a stronger binding affinity. So many choose to run test lower so the excess, unused test isnt left to convert to estrogen. I run dhb at 400 with test at 300. But can modify with bloodwork as well. If youre good with ai use and keeping e2 in check then go with it and experiment on dosing for your personal body and goals.
Axis is your bodies balance and hgh is involved. As teens and 20s we healed fast because hgh was high naturally. On cycle youre effecting all systems. For example adex lowers igf1. On pct your natty system has not yet rebooted. The forum above explains the testosterone hgh axis as well as letting hgh preserve gains while your test system reboots. Less mass lost.
Complex but interesting.
I read recently in a study, doses of Proviron up to 150mg/ daily. Had no effect on FSH or LH.
I take 25mg. And that's all i need boost the libido boost the mood and boost mr. Happy. Lol.
The reason i take it is purely for libido and sex issues while on high doses of anabolics especially tren.
I really don't notice much from proviron either way. Though proviron does have anti- estro properties it's not a true anti estrogen but it will help a bit with estro like any other DHT derivative would.
50 mg/day twice every day didn't do a damn thing for my e2 levels. I still needed arimidex. The only thing i think that it's good for is the mood boost and libido increase. My SHBG levels drop to almost nothing when on cycle even without it. I think i actually enjoy it more when adding it to just trt.
If your shbg levels drop to almost nothing then you must have high free test levels. @Black90tsi are your free levels normally high?
My last on cycle test i did my free was about half of what my total was. Even on trt only my free is slightly above the reference range.
Ok. Figured your free would be a bit higher.
I can believe you though
My last numbers were 2670 total, 1100 free and 6 shbg.
That looks right. Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking. Hell your free levels are higher than the total level of some guys!
Too Low shbg isn't really a good thing. Shbg has a transport role and is somewhat protective of testosterone. Thanks for that info
Thats on 350 test p/mast a/npp on top of my normal 100 mg/week test c for trt. First time using only shorter esters and i have to say i think i like it. The body changes in just 3-4 weeks are really noticeable.
That mast must of dropped your shbg then.
And yeah I wasn't a fan of short esters in the past but I am now. Thing is I just hate ED pinning on top of being a bit pip sensitive