+ 1 PCT - Use it or loose it
PCT - Use it or loose it
You have spent grueling hours in the gym, adjusted your diet correctly (costly), supplemented correctly (costly), got the best gear you could get your hands on (costly) and just plain worked your ass off to gain that 10-15 lbs of lean muscle. You look in the mirror after your cycle and smile at what you have accomplished.
A month later however, its all gone and you have replaced all that hard work and money with reduced energy, reduced libido, atrophied nuts and a new set of tits. I'm guessing the smile is gone at this point. So what happened?
YOU DID NOT PAY ATTENTION TO PCT!!!
Here is the science behind it.
While using AAS you are giving your body a great deal of testosterone (typically levels in excess of 2000 ng/dl). This signals the HPTA system to shut down natural testosterone production. Shortly after finishing a cycle, a state of hypogonadism or low androgen levels begin (The amount of time before this begins is dependent on the dosage and type of compound you are using). The reason for post cycle therapy is to stimulate the HPTA system in an effort to bring back normal hormone levels more quickly. Without using PCT normal hormone levels will return, however this can take up to 6 months. With a well thought out PCT program you can achieve normal hormone levels in approximately 45 days.
What is involved in a good PCT program
Nolvadex - Typically used for 4 weeks @ 40/40/20/20
Clomid - Typically used for 4 weeks @ 100/100/50/50
hCG - In some cases is used for PCT depending on cycle (more often used on cycle)
PCT start times will typically start 2 weeks after long esters but can vary based on the compounds you are using. Do your research.
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cdaddy7I love the idea of TRT but the thought of never pct sounds promising but the fact remains that Test is going to convert whether you have a ton of it or not. Its dht r estro and even the mysterious enigma of tren seems to find its way down estro road. I know a lot of claims that this steroid r that steroid does not aromatize is not exactly correct. I have symptoms of gyno almost over night when I use deca and if I substitue with equipoise I dont have the same issues. S0 I am reconciled to the fact we are all different. I think its important on cycle to use an AI like aromasin(my personal fav) or arimidex during the cycle bc it stops the bloat and reduces the bp and reduces the needs for extra bp meds. Im a firm believer in less can be better. Newbies always get caught up in the abomb and dbol gains and they dont realize they are not perm gains, but I feel are most necessary upfront loaded for setting the stage for quality anabolic growth factors during your cycle. Extended use does not make for great benefits or even higher mgs. For my end cycle pct I wait 2 weeks after last test injection and I say that bc I always use test e or cyp as underlier base and I begin with nolva 40/40/20/20/10 and clomid 300 x3days and reduce to 100/100/50/50/10 to make sure all rebound time is accurately covered HCG is 300-500 ius a day for 4 weeks ( this is why I use nolva/clomid one more week just in case rebound from hcg) just playing it smart fellas bc its too late when gyno gets out of control no reversing it besides surgery. Thats my strength, hope and experience and I hope I helped some of u
I'm 35 and my natural test level was 300 1 year ago and 314 2 years ago. I just made the descions to blast/cruise for the rest of my time...Don't see the point of PCT if I'm only going to return my test levels to 300 if that...Now if I was 25 tottally differnt story.
A good friend of mine who is one if the top powerlifters in the world told me that all pct is bs. Said it just delays the inevitable. I tried arguing it with him but since i have never run a cycle yet he gave me a bunch of shit and was like "oh so now u are a fucking expert. Ive run cycles both with and without pct and i know." I myself still will run pct as i dont buy what he is telling me. From the research and knowledge i have gathered since finding this site how could that many people be full of shit. Its tough to argue with someone though who has run gear for many years and is at the top of what they do. He can continue doing it his way. I will do it mine.
I take science over hearsay anyday
zewicause they think they know it all.. or already have fucked themselves and don’t want to tell you they are on TRT or they cruise. So they no longer PCT..
Did not realize you did almost the same post today...uhg. what a waste of my time.
Not a waste! Hope all the newbs read both before uncle zewi and i come off the top rope like Jimmy superfly! Lol
zewithis is so very true. the newbs don’t want that, and father time viking is about to slam also.. it will not be goodtimes in here soon... lmao...
Lol! Good stuff right there. ;)
Tag team by zewi and fast... thinkin that would make a newbie cry. Have seen you both in action.
We spend hours answering anything....but the dudes that just wanna go nutty with their cycle can be frustrating sometimes. It's their body in the long run. Just this week 4 separate dude just pisted pics of gear they're still gonna run. One dude is 22 and 4th tren cycle. And then posted he didn't know how to use liquidex. Good luck there......
look at Peres page 18 year old kid asking for tracking so he can intercept package before dad or grandma gets it. You boys would have had a field day with that.
Not worth while. Would just raise Cortisol. Lol!