PCT Bridge/Taper
I am planning my next cycle and I have been thinking alot lately about my next PCT. I currently just finished my PCT today from my 2nd cycle. What I have been thinking about lately is tapering down my test input after cycle leading into my PCT.
The reason for me thinking about this is because I lost 15+lbs during PCT after both cycles. My PCT has consisted of Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20 along with test boosters.
I think the reason why I am losing so much weight is I go from 500+mgs of test a week to nothing very fast. I think my body is shocked from this transition and it takes to long for my natural test to keep weight around. Look at Nicotine. Doctors never want you to quit cold turkey. This is why they have gum and patches so you can drop the levels of nicotine gradually so you do not shock your system.
So what I was thinking about is experimenting with the below taper to keep test in my system during PCT which will allow me to recover quicker and better.
Example During Cycle
500mg of test E a week for 12 weeks
Example Post Cycle
250mg of test E a week for weeks 13-16
250mg of Test E a week for weeks 17 and 19 or 100mg a week of Test E for weeks 17-20
During this month I will start the Clomid at 100/100/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20
Then 50mg a week after the month of Clomid and Nolva for weeks 21-24.
This is not Blasting and Cruising because the end result will be to come off the test and return naturally. I am just playing with Ideas. Let me know what you guys think.
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One more question. How fast does the loss come? If it is durning the Nolva and clomid stage then you are pissing the weight. Remember you can not expect to gain 20 pounds pr cycle. If so Carlos would be 2000 pounds.
LOL. Yeah I start losing the weight around the 1.5-2 week mark of PCT with Clomid/Nolva. It is VERY fast. My wife tells me every week "You can tell you are losing weight" It does wonders for my confidence!
It's water. I am 100% sure. Your diet,ai or both are screwed up.
agreed. if you lose enough weight where it is that noticeable you got other problems.
Drop salt,increase water intake, and do blood work. Problem solved. Next
Are you suggesting I do this now or during my next PCT?
Also, I will be honest with you bro but my diet is not a diet. Its shit. It consists of Firehouse, mexican food, and chicken wings on a weekly basis. My eating is my weakest part.
I will take all the advice I can get on a good diet plan!
Salt lack of water and high estrogen will make you hold water. You might have to start eating right and throw in cheat meal. With out proper diet you are not getting the best gains. Here is a tip on checking your bloat. Wrap your hand around your wrist. Try to touch your thumb and middle figure. Take note of the gap. The bigger it is the more water you are holding. Gap big take something like diurex or how ever you spell it.
Ha..I can touch my middle finger. Bloat is no longer the issue. I pretty much pissed it all away.
How much weight should I expect to keep after a cycle? I weighed 172lbs before cycle and jumped to 191lbs at the end. Now I am down to around 177-178lbs.
With a shitty diet I would be happy with that.
Mine figures touch too. That's my gauge. If they gap I have problem
you do realize that you are shut down, so there is no shock to your system, tapering from 500 to even 2mg does not matter, the body is not producing test at all so you have to hit 0 before you start producing natty test. the shock comes later hence why you have pct meds. I have not lost anything but water weight because I still eat the same amount of protein and carbs and still workout as if I was on cycle. diet has to remain clean and workouts remain consistent. you lose when you snooze.
I guess I am thinking of it as a small decrease of test rather than a lot.
I could be wrong but doesnt a shot of test E, no matter what mg dose can stay in your system for 15 days. If so, then wouldnt a 50mg shot of test be a lot easier on the body during those 15 days instead of 500mg of test?
I get that the body is shut down but I can feel the difference between 250, 500, and 750mg a week. The sides are higher for me as I increase so therefore the sides should decrease with less test.
Again, the whole idea behind this is to let my body get used to smaller doses of test gradually instead of just pulling the plug.
Everything you say is correct, but you said you lose your gains during pct. its not 100% the loss of the elevated test, its not continuing to do the same thing you did on cycle.
If you have a theory that you feel strong about just do it. Take notes and share your results. It won't kill you and you gain shareable knowledge. I would still look strongly at diet,work out, and bloat though.
Will do! If it fails to work then I will be back in the same boat and you guys can say "I told you so" ha.
I appreciate the advice bro!!
There is ideas that saying screw it I'm going to do it anyway is a very bad idea. This might be a bad idea but won't hurt you.
Also on cycle what is your ai that you use and the dose u take ?
Arimidex 12.5 EOD. Any more than this makes me sluggish.
That's not right lol
You mean aromasin?
No sir. Anastrozole - A-dex. It is in liquid form and dosed at .5mg/1ml. I started off taking .5 EOD but I got extremely lethargic during the day. I dialed it back until I stopped feeling tired all the time.
Right, you said 12.5 mg of adex
Adex is a powerful medication 12.5 mg is a obscene amount of that drug
Your right. Sorry I meant .12.5mg.
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Instead of going by the way you feel. Try going by the way you feel and blood work. Blood work is cheap and I bet will show why you gain so much and lose so much on cycle.
Good eye
You are losing the weight because of diet , bloat, and laziness I bet. If you want to taper use prop.
I did use prop. I got off a Sustanon 250 cycle and used prop up until 4 days before PCT.
Why not just use prop, leaves you body quick and not such a shock to system
With test e and c even if last shot is 250 your levels will still be high for 15 days before you can pct
Test is test. The esters determine how long that test is in your system. I am focusing more on reducing the mg of test over a period of time. Also, my last shot would not be 250, it would be 50mg.
At 50mg a week for the last month I would think my body would start to realize the test is not coming in like it used to. So my test would not be high by any means but hopefully it would be enough of a bridge through PCT.
The theory I have is a come off of 50mg of test would be smoother than a drop of 500mg a week or 300mg a week of prop.
AnonWell I'd like to see how big a change of diet happens from when ur on cycle to PCT. If u stop working the kitchen like you're on cycle then no matter what kind of taper you do you'll lose weight.
I really have not changed my diet. I am eating a little less than on cycle but diet is still the same.