posted Sat, 08/22/2015 - 13:49
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+ 4 Is HCG needed
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Whats up guys,
currently on my 4th week on cycle of:
wks 1-12: Sust 600 mg Mon/Thurs
wks 1-4: 40 mgs oral dbol
wks 1-18 AI: Arimidex .25mg EOD
PCT: 2 weeks after last injection, 4-5 week pct
clomed: 100/100/50/50 mg
Nolva 40/40/20/20 mg
i have been reading around on eroids about HCG, this is my first cycle and would like to get some professional help, im feeling great and have put on 20 pounds and have broke every PR ive ever had.
I would like to know if i need HCG for this cycle for the start off my pct or since its my first cycle it would be smart to use.
thanks for anyone who replies help is always appreciated!
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Speaking of hcg...how mcgs is 250ius?
If you go with hcg, keep in mind that it raises the level of aromatase. You're already on dbol which easily converts to estro. An adjustment in your AI dose may be necessary while you're on hcg depending on how your body responds.
Dbol converts to 17-alpha methylestradiol - much more potent than estradiol. HCG not only raises estradiol it also raises prolactin. In fact, everything that raises e2 also raises prolactin as e2 up regulates prolactin production but HCG does it more so. I was doing 250iu HCG every three days + 750mg test e + 50-100mg Anadrol ED and taking .25mg Adex EOD but bloodwork showed my e2 and prolactin too high so I bumped Adex to .5mg EOD and started Cabergoline. E2 is now in safe zone but caber completely wiped out all my prolactin in a week. Moral of the story: weekly bloodwork is a must until you know what dosages you need.
You're right, it is 17 - alpha methylestradiol which is more potent, and I know this...but for sake of brevity and to avoid typing it out I just said estradiol. So having dbol in the mix with more aromatase circulating, I would be using aromasin instead of adex for fear of estro rebound as well since aromasin permanently deactivates aromatase and adex does not. Just my reasoning.
Yes I'll be using Aromasin next time instead of Adex for the reason you say.
IMO you don't need hcg on such a light cycle.... Looks like you have a good pct plan already keep the hcg out pct is rough enough on your body no need on first cycle to blast hcg bud.. Just keep training hard and keep your diet on point those are 2 big factors on how you will recover. Good luck
And I gave you a +1 because you took the time to actually do research on your pct and your first cycle is actually reasonable.
awesome thanks man, just the info i as looking for, wrking my ass off and feeling great. going into week 4 now. thanks
Doesn't need HCG? I'm a newb myself but I know that 600mg sust + 40mg dbol will shut you down hard and fast - ie, within days/a week he will be shutdown completely. Where do you get this "don't need" HCG? Am I missing something?
Lots of guys do a regular PCT with out HCG and recover fine, a 12 week cycle, without any deca or NPP is generally easy to recover from.
The testes will kick back into action even after being shut down.
Some forums are way more into HCG than eroids, we have generally had a take it or leave it approach to its use.
thanks for your reply
also what ive been reading, my nuts have been the same size and libido is doing good, so far so good with tis cycle
I meant HCG during cycle not PCT as it interferes with LH / FSH production. But yes, I suppose you could go through a cycle without HCG and recover but your balls will shrink during cycle and may not return to normal size so I consider HCG on cycle pretty important if your balls are important to you and generally guys planning first cycle want HCG.
HCG in a first cycle (which the consensus around here should be test only with an AI on cycle and the bread and butter PCT) can complicate things and make it hard to get a fix on estro. Not everyone can afford it or has the time for weekly tests brother.
X2, not saying hcg is a no go on 1st cycle, just it's not really needed for a 12 week run of test with standard pct n ai
For a first cycle just getting your pin site rotation down, dialing in your ai dose, and focusing on diet can be alot of work, no need to complicate things anymore, save the hcg for another cycle down the road just my .02
great advice my friend and appreciate it, currently taking in 4500-5000 calories every day trying to stay clean, and thats made the world of diference. sometimes just cant resist the brownies
Yessir!