posted Fri, 05/31/2013 - 12:00
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HOW DOES CLOMID MAKE YOU FEEL? HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED NOLVA & TOREM COMBO?
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I'm just trying to get a sense of how Clomid affects different people. What were your experiences? Any particular emotional triggers? Stressful work environment impact it? Any coping mechanisms while on it? It seems to be a 50-50 chance in terms of it being mostly positive or mostly negative. Also, especially for those who can't do Clomid, what is your "backup" plan? Do you just run Nolva? Do you go with Torem? Ever combined them both? Please feel free to chime in and give your take. Am just interested to see all sides of the story.
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clomids the most aggressive towards restoring the hpta, especially in the common 4-6 week time periods commonly used in PCT's. But comes with mood swings etc and most people take way too much and feel like shit. use 50mg a day max to 25mg imo.
torem and nolvadex are very similar in there HPTA restoring abilities over the 4/6 week window bro longer times scales coupled with which studies you choose so differing results long term. But nolvadex has a load of other sides not great for pct/health and doesn't couple well with 19nors so I feel torem is a much better/modern choice.
Serms abilities to battle/control eastrogen are redundant aswell in modern AAS, as Ai's like adex/aromasin/letrozole are far better and more effective for controlling eastrogen. So nolva is really not that useful..
Pct. of Clomid, Torem and Aromasin - as it lowers SHBG and increases IGF1 levels by quite a lot, aswell as acting as an AI. Throw in some HCG in the 10 day lead-up to the start of pct bro and this is the best PCT available.
torem is generally used as a substitute for nolva when a nor19 is ran. theyre similar in many ways. although torem does more effectively raise lh and fsh levels. ive used hcg and torem and to be honest for testicular atrophy for me personally i think the torem was more effective at making my testicles look normal again. i actualy prefer torem over nolva during pct and if i need a little help for some gyno thats when i hit the nolva along with my ai but thats on cycle only till its under control than i go back to my normal AI
Clomid makes me more agitated and more likely to vocalize the agitation. I feel like I'm a teenager butting heads with my parents, during everyday interactions.
My coping mechanism is to remind myself I'm an adult and if I fuck things up, I will have adult consequences.
Torem and Nolva together? Have you been spending time on an 'ology' forum?
Appreciate the reply. Yup, I gotta agree most things are mentally and if you work on reminding yourself things will generally go smoothly. All about awareness. I did do a search of Nolva+Torem and heard that approach. Haven't done it, but was just curious if anyone has. I am sticking with Nolva+Clomid. I've done Torem by itself and it seemed great, but I'd rather keep it traditional. Not enough people, specifically people within BB community, seem to have done it yet which makes me suspect it just isn't as foolproof.
Nolva and torem are almost the same, clomid is different. You got some reading to do but to answer your question you need clomid. If sides concern you try running 50mg threw out. Nolva+clomid or torem+clomid is what your pct should look like.
Thanks. Am fully aware that Nolva and Torem are similar. I personally am fine with Clomid. Am asking for a buddy of mine who, due to the nature of his work, is taking a risk on it. Just seeing if there was a way around it. Starting low is a good idea so I'll go ahead and suggest that. Have you ever run just Nolva? I've done just Torem before and seemed fine, but I'd rather go proven route of Novla+Clomid though.