posted Mon, 12/26/2016 - 16:43
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+ 3 WHAT STEROID WILL YOU NEVER USE AGAIN?
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what's yours and why?
Was were the sides that made up your mind to never run that particular roid again?
Mine would be any form of tren..I go freaking nuts on tren..violent dreams..super aggressive..insomnia..anxiety attacks.
i know tren is a supreme game changer I just cant deal..I have a few buddy's that live on tren..and there sides are really not that bad?
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Marry an alpha red head and 17 years ain’t shit.Its a different kind of passionate crazy every day.Like marrying five women at once!
jayiskThis one is crazy enough and not in a good way. If there where five of her.., they would kill each other off.
only still with her cause of our young kids. sacrifice my pleasure in life of being with someone i actually liked so they can grow up in a house with both parents.
we dont fight or argue around them so they get love from the both of us and are not in a toxic household.
Men make sacrifices and I respect you greatly for what you just told me.My wife is a raging crazy woman but I would never leave her.I just became a father of a little boy at 49 years old.I think I must be crazy but wouldn’t change it for the world.
Ps they can’t kill each other off when they are in the same body!lol
jayiskKids are a good thing. Esp. when you're settled down and not out at the bars/clubs and running around.
They give you purpose in life. The only thing is its little rougher having them when we get older.
Had my 1st one when i was 37 yrs old.
Enjoy your little boy. You realize the saying they grow up fast is very true. Go from being this little thing you hold in your arms..,and next thing is you're saying how they grew up so quick.
if she couldn't kill each other off because its the same body..., her head would explode from them arguing with each other..lol
D-Bol
I know some people love Dbol, personally I just do not react very well to the compound.
it does not build any real muscle, the water retention is sub-q, the strength gains are good but compared to other compounds its not worth it. Worst of all she aromatases , the bloat the lethargy, when you weigh the pros cons, the cons out weigh .
30mg ed 10mg x3 a day is where I started.
I pushed it to 50mg ed, but the sub-q bloat was out of control, again that is just me I think I react badly to the compound,
I ran it 4 weeks, just the once.
RustyhookerTry a simple 5mg every 6hours...15mg total daily. With large protein carb meal. I got the strength and pump without the bloat or estro. But then again mine were right from the vet. Even duchaine told guys to run it low. Nitrogen retention was the key. Anything above is just sides.
One of dianabol's main pro's is that it causes the muscle, skin & joints to hold extra water so that you can get stronger muscle contractions and cushioning in the joints for heavy lifting etc - also for pulling in more glycogen and amino acids into the muscle for recovery. I run adex at .5mg EOD to E3D and have no problems with oestrogen build up on it. Dbol is an awesome compound if used for the correct purposes and not for cycles for people looking to lean out or cut.
I know from your past post you love some d-bol, not surprised you chimed in.
Thinks for the lay out on the water retention. Like I said I think I react badly with the compound, a few days in taking d-bol and my body was like no dude I do not like this.
jayiskedit: i thought reply was for me until i seen @press 1
jayiskI love dbol esp. PWO as it just makes me feel good as well as strong. Luckily i dont get bloated from it or have sides from it. Some people say they felt the same way but eventually running dbol wasn't the same anymore. As they started getting negative sides.
Besides feeling good, the strength increase, it also feels out my upper chest, shoulders, and traps. And not in a bloated sense.
I cant run Anadrol. Many people love the gains and can tolerate it. I would love for that to be the case. But it just makes me so lethargic and i dont get the gains that other people exp. from abombs.
as long as I do not push adrol over 50-75mg a day I am good, assuming I am running pharm quality that is.
I notice some lethargy, but I up my water intake and its nothing I cant handle, I've ran adrol as low as 25mg with very decent gains. No lethargy, no headaches , no nothing at that low dose.
jayiskI've run adrol at 50 and 100 mgs a day.
I was thinking if i ran it higher maybe i would get the strength gains people talk about.
But i'm already on meds for B/P and if i start going into the 150 to 200 mg a day of abomb i dont think that would be a healthy choice consider my B/P.
What dose do you run it at?
Trenboloney
It causes brain damage by building up beta amyloid plaques (this might hasten the onset of Alzheimers for those susceptible), by causing neuronal cell death, by causing problematic heightened emotional states (roidrage bitch), not to mention the other sides like flipped lipids, blood pressure, reduced blood oxygen and heart disease.
I haven't been using EQ. I find that I can use other compounds, get faster and better results. I don't feel like waiting eight weeks for something to kick in then having to run to donate blood! Make any sense?
Tren -ac
i had ⬆high blood pressure
I had ⬆ heart rate
Heart enzyme was no good
Nice bump!
metyl tren, my blood works were horrible!
300 SavageSome great posts here about Anadrol..keep up the good replies guys!
Anadrol for sure. 75mg a day for the first two weeks. Was going to pulse it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Never had my estrogen so out of whack. Gained like 15lbs of water, looked and felt like shit. All my lifts shot up like crazy but just wasnt worth the sides.
I'm EXACTLY the same as you, try and stick it out as long as I can but feel that rough its like I have a bad cold and give in. Headaches around the cranium, runny nose/loss of smell, lethargy, depression. Just like some people can't understand this - I can't understand why people feel paranoid & can't sleep on trenbolone......
Anadrol doesn't convert to estrogen bro. Either you weren't using real drol, your diet isn't dialed in, or perhaps you are one of those unfortunate individuals whos' bodys' doesn't agree with drol. Real drol keeps water in the muscle and out from under the skin. As long as one doesn't water log themselves from carbs or too much sodium drol will keep you dry and vascular but bigggg
Bingo
All intracellular water with drol. That is why it is commonly used by bodybuilders when prepping. Blows the muscles up while staying dry as a bone. The only people who seem to have problems with water retention etc are the ones running it with to high of a bodyfat or crappy diets.
Agreed. Drol is amazing for a quality full look. Dunno where this idea of it being a "wet" bulking compound came from. First time I tried it it became my all time favorite AAS for dieting and retaining fullness
I guess I mispoke and meant to say my estrogenic sides are through the roof. I add salt to every one of my meals so that had to be the reason for the water weight and lethargy
As I said below, don't mistake diet related side effects for estrogen related sides. They can be similar in nature but caused by completely different things. I'm sure I could crash my estrogen with a hefty dose of letro and still look like a bloated mess if I ate too many carbs, especially refined carbs and ones containing gluten, along with high amounts of sodium.
No from my experience drol adds water and not just in the muscles.It has also made me lethargic as well. Plus major head aches!
As makwa and I said... if you're adding water in places other than IM you're diet needs adjusting if you want to have that blown up and dry look drol creates. The headaches drol can cause are due to the massive increase in RBC count. I get them at times but not severely enough for me to not want to use drol. Anadrol is just too good of a compound for measly headaches to deter me lol
That explains a lot my diet sucked the last time I used drol.Ive been thinking about giving it another try after reading a post by Viking evo.My diet is always on point now.Thanks for the explanation.
No worries. Most guys have always been told that anadrol is a "bulker" (which isn't either here nor there cus diet dictates whether you're bulking or cutting anyways not compound selection) BUT anadrol shines the best when coupled with a lower calorie, carb restricted, "cutting" diet. Problem is most guys use it when they are bulking and eating lots of cals along with lots of carbs. They'll blow up for sure but imo it's counter productive to use drol during bulking phases because as you experienced that style of eating will bring out all the bad side effects caused by drol and hide all the magic it produces. Give it another run while rationing carbs and keeping calories low and you will see what we're on about;)
ShreddedfreddyIf I could +1 I would!
Thanks for that mate....food for thought. ;)
Not to mention liver toxicity. Lol but for others lean dry gains
I've seen really good growth with drol and retained growth,so it was more than just water,but I've never seen dry gains like you get with whinny,anavar or halo.
So you're saying your estrogen levels don't rise on adrol? Can you provide any links supporting this ? I found a few that state the opposite.
Anadrol is a heavily Estrogenic compound, but its Estrogenic activity does not originate from the conversion of Anadrol into Estrogen – it is chemically unable to convert into Estrogen through interaction with the aromatase enzyme. Therefore, its Estrogenic side effects are due to a largely unknown mysterious nature, but it is theorized that Anadrol itself may act as an Estrogen in various tissues of the body. Anadrol side effects of concern that are Estrogenic in nature include: water retention (bloating), possible fat gain/retention, development of gynecomastia. Due to the fact that Anadrol does not aromatize into Estrogen, aromatase inhibitors will be completely useless in combating Anadrol-related Estrogenic side effects (such as bloating for example). Because of the inability to combat water retention and bloating with the use of aromatase inhibitors, there is essentially no defense against the excess water weight and bloating issue aside from adjustments in diet (and even dietary adjustments are limited in their results). Gynecomastia can be effectively prevented, blocked, and combated with the use of a SERM, such as Nolvadex.
It aggravates receptors but does not activate hence causing the sides.
Maybe I should give it another shot
RustyhookerBoom!!! On point! One of the medpub articles stated that since it doesn't convert that a secondary action maybe responsible. The idea the Dr threw out there is that it made estrogen receptors more sensitive.
If i can find that article, I'll post it. I wrote a forum on it but discarded it.
The water being sucked into the muscles on prep or with good clean diet is amazing. Im no where near cut but the fullness was impressive.
Medpub also has a report on nolva for blocking as well as nolva NOT having any interactions whatsoever with 19nor. Was very interesting!! Its simply a blocker as was created for...bloxked estro from breast tissues and other areas that will be effected. Noting it did not lower estro.
Downside of nolva was it dropped igf levels greatly and we know that igf is something we dont want low.
Sidenote was aromasin RAISES igf. I'd be interested in the medically tested combo of those two. One blocks and other a suicidal inhibitor that raises igf.
The initial testing here at eroids on aro at a low dose during pct, i was a part of. Your body cant reset its axis if estro or prolactin is high. Obviously crashed estro is not fun neither. But at a low dose, i didnt have the normal bleh feelings on pct. Each time I've used aro on pct, i felt upbeat and happy.
But ive gotten quite off track....my bad
This could very well be why you see people having issues with drol because their bodyfat is too high. We all know how higher bodyfat is prone to more estro sides. So couple that high bodyfat with a compound that can make estro receptors more sensitive and BAMMM......you turn into a cabbage patch kid.
RustyhookerAgree! Low salt intake kept sides off as well. Kinda common sense but can be overlooked.
Not really following what your asking as you just proved my point as well as answered your own question in your post. I.e. "Anadrol cannot convert to estrogen." Dunno where the mystery lies. Just because anadrol can aggravate certain effects negatively in ways Similar to the effects of elevated estrogen doesn't make it "heavily estrogenic" in nature. It can't convert, period. If you're getting water retention and a bunch of other sides then something else is out of whack. Like diet, carb and sodium consumption. Don't mistake water retention and other sides for elevated estrogen.
It can definitely enhance the effects of estro sides from test though. Some people are just prone to these sides regardless of diet, genetics play a big role here
I found that out when I added ghrp6 to a simple cycle.
I ate so fucking much I was looking like a cabbage patch kid
Worse than eq?
Never used eq, but I could not believe how much food I'd pack in with ghrp6.
Smoke a bowl with it and the munchies are inconceivable
300 SavageLOL!
300 SavageThank you, Simmons, for the clarity of your reply...
That was a copy and paste lol
300 SavageDamn Homie...I thought you were that good! LOL...