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So I’ve been using AAS for some time now and I’ve done plenty of cycles and have a lot of experience so I think I’d like to try Tren now. I’ve never experienced any side effects from past cycles, I believe the worst thing I ever encountered was high BP from anadrol which gave me headaches. I’m a fairly advanced powerlifter I just totaled 1700lbs @ 198lbs. I know so many people who use Tren and I want some straight forward advice whether I should try it or not because I’m very scared of it because of all the horrible side effects that are notorious with it. My plan was 500mg test E, 200mg Tren E and 50mg anadrol. What’s to be expected from a low dose like that
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Everyone is different. I hate to be the guy to steer you down a bad path but just being honest my experience with tren e isn't like what I hear from everyone else. Only side effects I had were night sweats so bad I thought I had pissed the bed the first night I had them. I guess "maybe" my cardio could have been affected but I only do light cardio while bulking so that could be why I didn't really notice. Aside from that my only sides were increased strength, muscle gain, and a pimple or an extra long hair in a strange place every once in a while. I smoke hella weed, like every 2-4 hours, maybe that has something to do with me not seeing other sides, like insomnia, that I see people mention but I don't know. But be on the safe side and DON'T assume you will be like me, an outlier. Assume you will have the same reactions as most people if you're smart.
Rustyhooker2 years old. All of em. Lol
Tren E is side effects in a bottle man. And it takes longer to get yourself straightened back out afterwards, like a couple of weeks. I feel that Tren Ace is a far better and more effective version plus you can get it out of your system much faster than the Enan version should the sides be more than you bargained for. If you decide to do the Ace, start with 50mg eod and see how you feel. With Tren it's best to start out low and slowly taper up if needed, but in my experience 300-400mg weekly was the sweet spot. Like @Rustyhooker said, the strength gains are incredible and gives the physique a much harder look.
highlord99my BP goes up quite a bit on tren, thats about it.
Heavygamei took ace at 600mg a week with test prop and masterone, it was the strongest and best i ever looked but the mindfuck and agression that comes along with it is almost not worth it. got arrested twice and almost killed my relationship in the process. the night sweats and the trensomnia was not that bad but the aggresion is a killer. my advice would be like the others if your going to try it, start with ace so you can kick it if you need to.
Tren just isn’t worth the adverse sides unless you are paying the bills on stage imo. I’ve experimented with it a few times. Have never had the night sweats, I have trouble with insomnia without it so I didn’t notice any change there, anxiety was definitely ratcheted up, bp went way up every time no matter how clean the diet and how much cardio I was doing. The main issues I had were physiological, paranoia and a bad attitude. So many other compounds out there to take advantage of. That one is a no go for me. Good luck man.
basskiller89Tren scares me brother
No. Reasons below. It anhialates the CV/respiratory function in most people.
Low test, deca, dbol/anadrol pulses with time off.
Deca doesnt really do for strength what people think but it gives a lovely base from where to launch the adrol/dbol for crazy strength levels
Not a fan of deca myself but it does let one lift pain free the most part.That can not be overlooked.You are also correct that when dbol or drol pulsed great strength and size gains happed rapidly.
As far as his cycle question,I’ve come to believe the tren and test ratio should probably be reversed.Trt dose of test with the 400 to 600 mg if tren.Much the same as EQ.That is if you go the tren rout at all.Which for the recreational body builder is probably best left alone.
Glad to hear youre thinking on those lines. Its a progressive approach. One of the best aspects of it is to give a better appreciation of what a compound like tren really does without the water being muddied by test/estrogen related sides. +
I’ve noticed with a few guys I know that are taking that approach,the tren really cuts them up.The nutrient partitioning is much more apparent,and the fat burning really takes off.Most of them feel that their cardio doesn’t suffer as much,in fact they’ve kept the exact same routine as befor the tren.
RustyhookerLower test is much simpler. Depending on goals, theres tweaks that can be done. Bulking with higher tren as the lyposisis isnt as dramatic since estro is there at higher level. Theres med reports...too much to cover...
Tren for strength is very strong!! Problem is the heightened risk for injuries. My strength shot up to where everything felt light. Staying focused on reps over brute strength.... Example was the lat machine. I typically used 2 plates each side....built up to 2 plates and 35. Felt too light and hit 3 plates. Pulled rhomboid. 3 weeks off back lifts...
Sides on tren e or a for me still hit around week 7, then with e i have 2 weeks of being introverted, jealous. Stick with ace ed and swap as needed
I was more impressed with anavar strength boost but it kills my appetite. Ghrp6 will fix that but more pins
Thats really interesting. You have me wondering now!
These guys are 250 mg test cyp and 400 mg tren e weekly.It works quite well.Now they aren’t cardio centric in the first place,but none of the horrors we hear of.So far no prolactin issues either.My guess is the lower test keeps the e2 sides in check.
One will be competing NPC in San Diego this year.Now for the record he is a blaster and cruiser and he will cycle 500mg test a week and 60mg anavar a day as well.To be fair he is also a genetic freak!
Powerlifting and Tren is not the best option.
BP will go up crazy, and what you can expect from this cycle depends on your lifestyle, genetics, training and for sure your diet!
I like the cycle. Moderate dose of test and a low dose of tren for the week. Plus, I hate pinning often and 200mg of tren week is a very responsible 1st run. Most guys go 350mg of ace. As to experiencing side effects, at 200 mg a week it's going to clear pretty fast anyway.
If you're going to use it, don't start with Enanthate, start with a short ester of Trenbolone. That way, if you begin reacting badly to it it'll be out of your system quickly. I've used it once, began at 30mgED and slowly increased the dosage as I saw how my body responded. I sweat a lot, had wicked insomnia, and my cardio was definitely hindered. I took a sublingual Melatonin 10mg to help me sleep at night, but would still have to wake up some nights to change the sheets and blanket. No seriously negative side-effects though, no changes in personality or mood which was good. I might run it once more in the future for a short amount of time, but that'll be it
It's a serious compound though, not to be taken lightly. It has been proven to cause Neurodegeneration in animals. Students in China gave Trenbolone to rats to monitor the effects on their brain. It shows to cause Neurodegeneration that could increase the chances of developing a neurological disease like Alzheimers and Dementia.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25461682
X2. Definitely start with Tren A! If you have a negative side effect, you will be thankful you did.
I tried it twice, 1st time was the best experience although a little paranoia and anxiety. Second time I tried it I never touched it again. Extreme anger, paranoia, and loss of breath. I train in the gym with some hard hitting powerlifters and if you ask them if they do tren they would throw an atlas stone at you. Tren is not for powerlifters, you can get a better increase in strength from other aas. Deca and NPP are 2 major products used. Halo is the lead up to a match. They say save the tren for the fitness model girls lol. You dont cut as a powerlifter.
If you had high BP on anadrol alone I wouldn't touch tren especially both at once
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If I was trying tren for the first time id go with acetate as its out of your system faster if you get side effects . A few lads I know can't tolerate tren e but their fine with tren a , odd but true.
RustyhookerI would pm the powerlifters and get their input. Most of them run deca but its best to get it from the power guys
I personally experienced heartburn/acid reflex, gas, night sweets, and insomnia from tren. Nothing to crazy, it was all pretty manageable. The worst part was the heartburn/acid reflex at night. Im not recommending or suggesting anyone to use any product, just happy to provide some knowledge and details of my personal experience.