posted Fri, 11/02/2012 - 11:49
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+ 1 TEST E/C VS SUST?
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Alright guys so they pretty much explained why sust is good to run for a bulker and how to benefit most from it on mjunkies post but now come on lets hear it, what Test compound would you guys preffer as your "BASE" for a BULKER, TEST E/C OR SUST??? which do you guys think is the better option and why,,, Thanks for the feedback!!:)
THIS IS NOT FOR MY CYCLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT "ONLY" FOR "BRO SCIENCE" RESEARCH! lol 
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Im getting ready to run Test E/C 400 with Deca 400. However I do like me some Sust just like the way it fills me up.
are u running equal MG's test and deca?
IMO, when using sust, just save your money on buying test for your "base" and spend it on food instead. most sust have at least 2 different types of test in it. you can always use the same amount of test for either bulk or cut cycle. it depends on your macros intake (diet)....
Orale cabron Good stuff!! +1
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Well if your trying to save money and the gear all costs the same, sustanon is clearly the best option. You can pin it once a week at say 2 or 3mls all at once. So you are using less pins. Its easy to find 400mg/ml sust and it doesnt really cost more than test E 400.
sustanon was DESIGNED to be injected once per 2 weeks(or more). You could do that however every 7-10 days is better.
Not taking advantage of prop - thats the most retarded argument ever. wtf does that mean? lol You dont need to pin EOD because the other esters will take over by the time prop wears off.
All in all it's personal preference. Any can be used, sustanon, cyp, enanth, prop etc.. Find what works best for you. But make sure you are using them smart. You wouldnt do a 15 week prop cycle when you can just use enanthate.. You wouldn't use enanthate if your cycle will be 6 weeks.
Sustanon is best for LONG cycles since decanoate takes a month to release.
Here's the economics behind it bro...
When an ester is attached to a compound the ester makes up a percentage of the total weight of the compound - for example, testosterone cypionate contains 69.9% testosterone per mg, whereas the cypionate ester makes up 30.1% of the total weight. However, testosterone propionate contains 83.7 mg of testosterone, per mg and its ester weight is 16.3% of the compound. Additionally, since shorter esters release the parent compound into the human bloodstream at a faster rate, gains are recognised at an increased speed.
Below is a list of the more commonly used esters, which have been grouped together according to the percentage of testosterone they contain per mg - additionally, i have added breakdown of how much money is spent on the product and how much is spent on the ester (based up on RRP in USD ($) of a 10ml vial using common dosages - Rested Retail Price (term used loosely LMAO).
Percentage of Testosterone per mg - RRP ($) - Value of test - Value of ester
No Ester: 100mg---------------------$45--------$45-------------$0
Propionate: 83.72mg-----------------$35--------$29.3-----------$5.7
Enanthate: 71.99mg------------------$45--------$25.2-----------$19.8
Cypionate: 69.90mg------------------$45--------$24.47----------$20.53
Now, you may say, that maybe i should use a blend which encompasses multiple ester lengths such as Sustanon. Sustanon is great for pinning E3.5D/twice a week, but there are three faults;
1) Since it is a blend, the measurements of each compound are much weaker, thus producing results in inefficient amounts when compared to a single estered compound.
2) Pinning twice a week will make you're blood levels volatile, since sus contains prop, and I don't believe pinning ED or EOD is an option either, since there will be a build-up of longer-estered compounds in your system producing variable, un-tame results.
3) Ester length effects more factors than simply injection frequency and release rates - it also effects water retention, net protein synthesis, gyno risk, influence on estrogen conversion.
Finally, I believe that sus is not cost effective. I say this because the longer-esters take up 'more room' so to speak than shorter esteres. So, imo, if you were dead set on taking sus, then I would buy a vial of prop, a vial of phenyl prop, a vial of iso and a vial of deca and mix accordingly. This is for two reasons, to ensure that the sus is not under-weighted (like many products on offer), and to maximise cost efficiency.
Hope this helps,
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Anonnice read! fr sent btw
It helped economic wise thts for sure which plays a huge role in doing aas, nice read bro thnx +1
For me brother the ultimate base to ANY of my cycles is TESTOSTERONE HEPTALYTE due to the fact is has the same amount of days half life if not a couple of days longer then test E/C and it gives the least if not zero normal test bloat.... this is my personal favourite used for years with great results every single time.
Test is the base bro its the compound combos that make the differences to ultimate goals.
Also X2+1. I always read test is the answer, it is not it is only the base like eggs in baking. Without the eggs the other components can't bind and you get chocolate soup.
Just came across this thread. Can you say,deja vu? LOL
im on a hunt for that shit now! lol test e/c is just not for me thats why i stick with prop but it sounds like a long estered prop..
LOL never thought about like that but yeah... that comment holds bro.
Ahhh i see bro, thnx for commenting,, Test Hep huh, sounds like a fucking dream! LOL!
Hard to source thesedays but if you can get some its worth it brother trust me.
GREAT TIP BRO THNX!! x)