+ 14 Taking Too Much Equipoise.
Hi All.
I've NOT created this posting to scare ANYONE, Hell, if I wanted to do that I'd just post a few pictures of my ex for you to cry at and totally screw your sleeping patterns up.
No. I've created this posting because I've seen several VERY disturbing postings and reviews left by members over the past few weeks regarding different effects they have received while taking Equipoise, (Boldenone Undeclynate), and I thought I'd put my 5 cents into the barrel to HELP advice that Equipoise is NOT a juice to be taken likely.
I USED to LOVE Equipoise. For years, I'd take in almost every bulking cycle I did. Its effects on increasing my dietary needs were off the scales and, for me personally, it was also like liquid nectar of the gods being poured into my joints whenever I pinned up with it.
As I said, I WAS a HUGE fan of the stuff.
That was until I received a batch, from a TOP source AT THE TIME, (Who has now been banned from Eroids), that advertised and sold his Equipoise as being 200mgs for every 1ml dosage.
I would pin up his Equipoise 3 times a week with 1ml each time. So to me, it SHOULD have been just 600mgs of Equipoise every week.
My LIFE was very nearly the cost of proving that he was OVERDOSING his Equipoise to nearly TWICE his stated dose. (Later tests revealed it to actually contain 361mgs of Equipoise per 1ml dose).
So I was actually taking OVER 1100mgs a week.
How did it nearly cost me my life? Because of taking such a high weekly dosage, I contracted an alveolar hemorrhage in my left lung, caused by the MASSIVE increase in red and white blood cells being created from the polycythemia effect from taking Equipoise. (REMEMBER: Equipoise causes polycythemia in the body). Anyway, FOR 3 DAYS, and for SEVERAL times a day, I'd be holding a bucket, coughing up copious amounts of blood into it to release the pressure from my lung just so I could breath again, hiding EVERYTHING from my Mrs and family by flushing the resulting 750mls - 1000mls of blood, FROM EACH COUGHING EPISODE, down the toilet and THINKING I could cope with what was going on. That was until the 4th day of my issue, when I collapsed to my knees in the garden, in front of my family, coughing up dark red blood NON-STOP and FREAKING EVERYONE OUT.
I would later spend a total of 24 days in my local I.C.U to remedy my condition and to help put me back to reasonably good health again.
Should I have gone to get help as soon as I started coughing up blood? OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE. But with me knowing better than anyone else, I was going to be alright. "It's never happened to me before. It's just one of those things". Should I have gone to get advice for the agonizing headaches and high pressures I was feeling? OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE. Should I have checked my juice dosages out before I took it? OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE. (But how many of us HONESTLY do?) Should I have taken more note of the constant itching, especially when washing or having a shower and got it checked out? OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE. Should I have taken note of the swelling in my arms and legs and had it checked out? OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE.
With hindsight, OF COURSE I SHOULD HAVE. But we all know better, don't we? We'll be just fine if we simply ignore it, won't we? It's just one of those things, isn't it?
NO!!! It's NOT.
The side effects of taking Equipoise, as well as ANY other juice, should NOT be taken lightly AND/OR ignored.
DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE TAKING ANY COMPOUND. And IF you are having ANY adverse effects, GET THEM CHECKED OUT. Some of the side effects from taking certain compounds ARE and CAN be life threatening to the sufferer. ESPECIALLY when you're dosing too high. DON'T allow your ignorance OR your pride cost you dearly.
As the old saying goes, "If In Dought, Get It Checked Out".
You MIGHT just learn something new.
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sum of a biatch Mate, that was hard to read I'm grateful you're well and here to share your story. this is exactly why I cringe when I hear these young guns boasting about how happy they are thinking that the gear they are getting is overdosed. I meticulously plan each one of my cycles accordingly to the dose represented on each label and I also subtract the ester weight closely and accordingly to get a relative accurate amount of hormone to administer. personally I just want what is portrayed on the label, nothing more nothing less. also I've read to many occasions here knuckle heads pushing up to and over a gram a week for EQ to be effective. smfh!
Damn man sorry to hear this!
I think EQ sometimes gets an "extra safe" AAS reputation for whatever reason. I didnt have the side effects anywhere near yours (knock on wood), I did have a few, such as insomnia and it completely killed my libido!!!
U know bro, as absolutely screwed up as the health care system is in the United States - and it is a colossal mess indeed, it's easy for Americans to get blood work done and cheap.
The dose of EQ that almost killed u is indeed high - like the gentleman said below - but, it's not outrageous. If u r making the point to get blood work done before symptoms appear, that's what needs to be drilled into everyone's skull.
The blood test will catch just about anything before it becomes a life-threatening health issue. If I run a new compound I haven't used before - I spend the $60 and take a look at the basics at least. The polycythemia from EQ is really hard to miss on a blood test.
It's hard to get guys in their twenties to be as proactive as is really necessary. I certainly hope u made a full recovery since last August. And, yes, u can get beautiful results from EQ at 600-800 mg / wk - taking it over 1,000 I don't think buys too much for the risks involved.
Kindest,
GearHead
I have a question though. I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive at all but I've been researching this compound for a while now.
Many other boards would consider 1100 mgs EQ to be on the high end of a moderate dose. I was just wondering if it were possible that you had an underlying condition (the cancer) which resulted in the bleeding rather than it be solely being the EQ at blame in this case?
Again, forgive me if this was insensitive or rude with everything going on right now. You'll be in my prayers tonight and I wish you the best of luck and a quick recovery.
I understand your thinking, Mate. But no, my carcinoid tumor was in the bronchus, between the upper and middle lobes of my right lung and the entire left lung was hemorrhaging due to the amount of blood entering into it. So my condition had nothing to do with cancer. My lung cancer was ONLY discovered when tests were run to discover what was happening and why I was coughing up so much blood.
It was entirely down to the overdosing of the product by the source's inept manufacturing knowledge and skills. It SHOULD have been just 200mgs for every 1ml dosage. But it was tested at 361mgs of Equipoise per 1ml dose. So my INTENDED dosage of 600mgs a week actually turned into OVER 1100mgs a week.
As you probably already know, Equipoise causes polycythemia in the body, a condition that increases the red and white blood cells being created by the body. and in extreme cases, even if someone uses even small weekly doses of EQ, the body simply cannot cope with such high blood production and it tries to expel what it can't cope with.
I USED to LOVE EQ. NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. During my past cycles, of which I NEVER had ANY issues with EQ whatsoever, for my joints and my appetite increase it used to be the Nectar Of The Gods for me.
Now? I REALLY can't take the risk with the compound again. I only wish I could find another product that was as good for the aches and pains in joints as EQ to be for me.
Best regards, Mate
many other boards are trollsville, eq effects ppl different, it doesnt agree with me, some love it, ive nearly stroked out @600 a week, thick blood, high rbc, hypertension= disaster waiting to happen, cut yourself with those 3 issues, go too er, you wont stop bleeding. 1100mgs is advanced dose imo.
AnonEq-drop the dose low results are you become a eating machine I find over duration..I rate it!
alot of ppl do, mast shits all over it though, i sent you a fr, i see you deleted me again lol
AnonI also dislike how it's given a noob friendly tag sometimes.... even here I got IMO reckless advice dosage wise (1g/wk) before I started my first ( current ) run with EQ.... I think for myself though. Hematocrit/rbc is a hell of a serious issue & from what I understand it gives a lot of people crippling anxiety to boot. I got anxiety and insomnia pretty badly but increased test a bit = anxiety was gone overnight, a little prop fixed everything. Insomnia became much more tolerable slept more also. If this was my first/second cycle I'd have aborted the whole thing probably instead of knowing to try that.
Also how many people are actually going to get bloods before/during/after to see how harshly their CBC differential changes.... 10-20% of users? maybe? Not to mention hardly anyone donates blood... I already have and will again soon this run
For me 600/wk seemed to be treating me excellent downing 8 solid meals a day EASY gained 14 pound in the first 4-5 weeks.... til I switched labs to some 100% bunk shit but anyways for a few weeks there it was great. I literally could not get tired doing cardio, even being in the sauna wouldn't make me breathe heavily it was pretty wild. I'll be getting & posting bloods I'm curious to see what 10 weeks does to my CBC, definitely not taking it lightly.
reddening of the skin, lethargic, headaches for days, tingling\ itchy feet in shower, overheating, symptoms too watch, agreed, i doubt many get bloods either, donating is good, i wont use again, mast over eq anyday!
AnonI liked mast P.... but I also like having hair =/
mngymtrollall the more reason for me thinking of very low doses for starting out. great post and i dont care what i take if i cough up blood im going to the doctor!
Donating blood helps lowering your RBC and Hemo......
God Bless great post I have always been a fan of Moderate dose. the difference is only 5-10 pounds in weight gain. recently my lipids been on the bad sides and I am working on to get it improved.
Great Share brother stay healthy and lift hard
Ill be running eq for the first time in a couple of weeks. I appreciate you sharing your experience with us so much that I will make it a point to come back and give you the karma you deserve. This is one of the many things that I love about this site. It's not just cycle advice. It's about being healthy. I've heard sources brag that their oils are overdosed. We as a community should demand our sources give us what it says on the bottle. If it says 250mgs per ml then damnit that's what we should be getting. It makes it very hard to control, track,even plan these cycles even dangerous if its different every time. It's going to be different every time as it is. We don't need added troubles with under and overdosed products. So thank you for bringing this problem to the forefront. Maybe we as a community will look at this as a real problem because we steer this ship and drive the market. If our sources can't meet our demands then there's someone standing right behind them that will for your business.
First, I am sorry for what you went through, bro. Hope everything is going ok. And remember to get those blood tests for hemocrit, hemolobin, etc.
General question: Don't most steroids cause increase in red blood cells? Is there really any evidence at all that EQ does it more than the others? Anyone?
Everything is back to normal again thanks. I'm on bi-weekly blood tests now, so IF things do start to escalate again, I should know REALLY quickly.
Only SOME steroids increase RBC, NOT most. As for the evidence, your own research will have shown you exactly what EQ does for the body and what it was invented for too.
I have been on 1200 mg bold cyp for a couple months now. Should I buy a bucket?
My hemocrit as of a couple weeks ago is 50.8. RBC is 5.85. Platelets are 361. How risky are these levels? Should I get a blood draw?
I can't comment and/or advise on platelet counts, because, straight up, I simply don't know enough about them. But I do know first hand what taking too much of compound can do to one's self, so buying a new bucket to save the carpet IN-CASE the need arrives, I now have several.
Crazy shit man, glad you shared that though cuz im on EQ now for 1st time.
Just stay safe, Mate.
Best bit of advice you can get.
Wow, i just finished something to eat, open this thread up, read it, saw your pics and now i feel sick. Thanks for sharing this though and i hope your making a speedy recovery... i really really feel for you bro this is a horrible thing to go through... FR sent i also have a question
I did advice you not to view it if you'd just eaten, Mate (LOL)
Everyday moving forward helps to make this issue a past experience I'd gladly forget about if I could. All I can do is make the best of a bad situation and TRY to help others to learn from my mistake and stubbornness.
FR accepted.
AnonRough brother, glad you're ok now.
What lab was it that sold this? It's alright to say their name especially since they're banned.
Did you donate blood at all during your cycle?
It's odd that it was that highly over dosed, generally by weight EQ is heavier than average meaning you get less mg per ml. Whoever did this was either stupid or wasn't brewing their own gear...or both.
I thought I'd share a GRIM reminder of one bucket to PROVE what I've said ACTUALLY happened.
(PLEASE NOTE: BE AWARE. This picture link contains a VERY graphic photograph of my incident and should NOT be viewed by ANYONE who is squeamish, dislikes visions of blood and/or has just eaten).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/98062065@N00/9578600731/
This picture was taken the day BEFORE I was admitted into the I.C.U.
It wasn't AB was it cause some of his earlier gear was over dosed.
AnonJesus Christ man, you should have went in the first time you seen any blood. I would've thought I had consumption or some shit.
Shit
Wish I had, Mate. But when you think you can beat anything and you're just too stubborn for your own good.....
AnonWOW. More balls than brains to avoid the ER when that shit was happening no offense bro lol! We all do dumb shit though I've had my fair share. FR sent have a question for you if you don't mind, since I'm about to run EQ for the first time
You are 100% right, Mate. Ignorance and stubbornness was my only defense. FR accepted.
one of the reasons i stopped taking eq is b/c of the rapid increase of rbc it creates making me donate blood as soon and as often as possible
With my RBC at the time I'd have needed to donate everyday, it was so high, Mate
That's the fucked up thing about buying off the black market. It's not like you can sue anyone when something like this happens. Glad you pulled through it brother.
There's risks in everything we do, everyday we do it. But being informed helps us to make the right, or better choices for our own well-being, Mate
AnonHow many weeks in did this start? Thanks for sharing, glad you made it out alive.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI was into my fourth week of the cycle, a day after taking my 2nd pin-up of that fourth week when all hell broke lose. But visiting the gates of hell and being told, "Oh, hell no. You're not coming back", told me my time up was not upon me, Mate ;)
Thanks for sharing. I have EQ, not yet tried it. I will def remember this post when I do use it. Hope your health is better and stays that way. +1
Thank you, Mate.
If my issue can help to keep you safe with your choices in juices, then my errors have a worthy benefit.
how long did you run it before you had any symptoms? and when you actually started coughing up blood?
I was into my fourth week of the cycle, a day after taking my 2nd pin-up of that fourth week when all hell broke lose. Four days later my wife was looking at me, laying on a hospital gurney, COVERED in blood from eyebrows to knees and being told by the ER doctors, "You need to prepare yourself. We need to stop this bleeding". (My Mrs has been a trauma nurse for over 20 years, so she knew exactly what they were saying).
Thanks man, this is a great story for people who are into EQ. I plan to use it during my next cycle, and I'm very glad you made me aware of your experience! It's posts like this that make this site so great...everyone should be informed.
Just stay, Mate. If my issue can help you to do so, I'm only too happy to help.
Thanks Mate. Great information and glad your alright.
Thank you. As long as I'm lifting and chasing the Mrs around the bedroom, I'm smiling again, Mate.
I may not catch her everytime now, but at least I'm trying (LOL)
Haha. That's what its all about. That chasing is great way to warm up for the real workout......hehe later Mate!
The chase is the main part to my cardio these days, Mate (LOL)
WithdrawlThanks for sharing. I'm seeing guys start to do over a gram of EQ a week now and it scares me to be honest. Thick blood can really cause health problems over time and have deadly consequences. Thanks for posting! +1
You're welcome, Mate.
I agree with you. IF you want to take such high doses, AND YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO KEEP YOURSELF SAFE WHILE DOING SO, that's your choice. But when you're just starting out on the juice, or because you made some good gains on your first/second/ or even third cycle, it still doesn't mean that your body can handle such high doses like other users can.
There ARE warning signs when taking such large amounts of AAS and they should NEVER be ignored, LIKE I DID. Researching the side effects of the compounds is just as important when trying to find out what's best to take on a particular cycle.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/gilberts-syndrome-for-t...
VERY nice posting, Mate