Solo tren
Ok so I was browsing another forum, and came across a bro who ran a tren e only cycle and it got me reminiscing. I remember using Fina solo about 10 years ago, and I honestly had great results. I didn't know the terms AI or PCT, and ran it for maybe 8 or 10 weeks with no test, being I just didn't know any better.
After poking around online and in forums, I know I am not alone here. Have any of you guys ever done this? How was your experience? I will say, on this solo run I caught a felony charge due to massive rage, then again I was only 22 and shouldn't have been doing AAS to begin with. I did though hit PRs that lasted years for me (esp after crashing a motorcycle and not lifting for a few years right after).
What are your experiences here guys?
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT recommend ANYONE do what I did, this is just for conversation purpose.
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You can do 2-week tren only cycles. Any longer, you will get seriously shut down eventually. I would do hcg at the very least.
GearofWarYes there are certainly specific types of athletes that benefit from Tren/Fina only runs but for short periods of time and using the Acetate rather of course. Especially boxers/MMA fighters. I know that if I were a pro fighter I'd run Tren-Ace only leading up to a match/fight as well as halo or cheque drops. As I'd likely not care about excess aggression but likely welcome it. Also, I'm the type of person that dials in on one task at a time, so leading up to the fight sex probably wouldn't be a priority. All compounds have their specific uses and short-term use while stupid can have it's benefits. Again, as a disclaimer I'm not condoning the irresponsible use of Tren or gear but just offering up one mans viewpoint and personal opinion. My views and comments DO NOT represent the majority nor even the minority of eroids users so please use your best judgment when using these compounds.
I have a friend who boxes and he won't even fuck his girl or beat off for a few weeks before his fights, so he can keep his agression and focus at their top level.
On a side note I remember hearing the Mike Tyson used Chique drops before his fights. Has anyone else ever heard that??
why bother? why not just run trt dose of test in the background? what benefit are you thinking you will obtain?
1ml of test in backgrounf with estro dialed in is beneficial, you wont even notice water orbloat.
rage? did it involve alcohol or illicit drugs? if not its blood pressure spikes that causes you to snap/ temper, agro.
You mis read the post Flash, I did this 10 years ago, I was asking if anyone else had done this before. The rage was the result of me being 22 at the time and not being able to control myself. I'm 32 now, and rarely have any rage, as I have learned to balance my bloods and mental state as well. I would NEVER run tren or any other non test compound solo again, this was in my pre-eroids days when knowledge was limited and info wasn't so easy to find.
did not misread, simply telling how it is.
This was done ten years ago bro, I'm just confused, you asked what am I hoping to attain? What I meant in this post was I did this when I was young, dumb and uneducated as to even the very basics of AAS. Thankfully I didn't do any damage to myself with ealier cycles when I was younger. Finding Eroids has made my life and physique change dramatically in ways I never thought possible due to helpful members and knowledge.
I agree with you 100%, I'd never cycle without a minimum of a trt dose, and certainly wouldn't run compounds solo now that I know how the interactions of these (aside from test) drugs all work.
The guy on the other forum that ran the tren e solo said the sides were out now this world, and I'm going to guess that's from no test as a base, and like you had mentioned blood pressure spikes from erratically pinning on an unset schedule. I know that's why I had the rage when I was younger, because I just listened to my buddy who I thought knew it all. Live and learn right?
lol ok bro, i got ya now, all good.
Many years ago, I too did a fina conversion, and ran the tren solo. No ancillary medications or PCT....foolish on my part. I only lasted about a week and bailed. I felt like was going to croak. Night sweats, anxiety, nausea, shortness of breath, insomnia, and just felt like hell.
I wish there would've been experienced vets and discussion boards like there are now.
StevebDamn so there are now a ton of jobs you can't get because of the felony. No test will usually equal no erections so it's not worth it.
Yea but when I was younger, thankfully I didn't have that side effect. Like I said I do NOT condone doing this, but it did make me wonder who else has run solo, non test compounds.
As far as the felony, without any details, a well connected family friend for an attorney goes a long way to keeping my records clean as a whistle, thankfully.
I wouldn't ever run it without some additional testosterone. Your gains,,libido,,,sense of well being,,,will all be much better.
I wouldn't at this stage either, this was all pre-eroids and before I used the Net to find info. I'm glad to say it didn't shut me down, but I wouldn't ever try it again.
It's all about what works for you, most middle eastern or Bodybuilders from the EU don't use any testosteone, they think it's a dirty drug or somethijg along those lines. Some can get away with it others can't.
I wouldn't say that about the EU, just small pockets if it. Doesn't happen a lot in Western Europe.
I wonder why the difference in mind set, when it seems pretty obvious, albiet maybe biased cuz I love this site and no others, but our eroids code of juicing 101 states test base ALWAYS. Plus, nothing is better then good test.
It's not just eroids it's every single American forum except one will tell you the most basic of all jucing is a test base. Idk why they feel that way about test. From what I understand they use equipoise as the base of all cycles. Idk how their junk works like that lol. High eq low test even with provi and i was having slight issues. Couldn't imagine no test.
RustyhookerI ran eq only successfully. So did another respected member. Sex was awesome! No issues. But I wouldn't advise it because sex drive takes a dive, you better know how to deal with it. Test base is preventative to issues.
Tren. Have not run it solo. Nitti is the chief on that train. Have you run tren enough to know it? Trial it with tren a. Add prop if necessary.
I've run plenty of tren, probably 5 cycles if o had to guess, aside from the Fina only cycle. To be clear, I'm NOT considering doing this again, it's just a discussion. So you ran EQ solo, did you run a high dose for an extended period like you would if it was added in to a cycle, or different? Just wondering how the results were out of pure curiosity.
RustyhookerI ran it at a HUGE 400 mg a week for 10 weeks. According to forums I ran it improper and too short. I went from 181 at 12% to 194 at 10%. Perfect diet and 3 hours a day workout.
That's a very successful cycle no doubt about it. My thinking is that not everything works the same for wveryone. My Fina cycle was somewhere in the 8 to 10 week range, and I was shredded, put on about 15 LEAN pounds, and gained so much strength it was insane. I wouldn't ever suggest a 22 year old (as I was at the time) run ANY AAS, esp tren, and def not solo, but my results by going outside conventional means we're astounding.
I've always wondered what is the generally stated reason why EQ is said to be ran for a min of 16 weeks or whatever the consensus is on it? I ran it once and saw results at the 5 week mark, roughly. I ran 600mg a week and did only 12 weeks but I thought I looked great, it was the first time I was sub 10 percent as well.
Rustyhooker600 is a great dose imo. I've tried much higher and down at 400. It really proves the rules of food and intensity. Just enough gear to recover, stamina and grow. It shows how important diet and busting ass is.
Too short....yes. The und ester really gets going at week 8. Sust as well. SO I shorted a better potential but still had a personal triumph. Proof of diet and training or proof of placebo? All we know, even in forums, is everyone had very individual reactions.
Root of it in long run is that if we train like maniacs our bodies maximize every nutrient into preservation. Add a lil hormone and it's explosive. If training sucks, the results suck. Foods suck, we don't grow.
I agree, I preach to all my friends who want to gear up that unless they're prepared to spend a ton of money on food it's worthless to run AAS, as you will never optimize the drugs.
So to touch on your point about stopping too soon, I have a point I'd like to discuss. If the undecanoate ester takes so long to start up, say for example 8 weeks, wouldn't you be utilizing it still for several weeks after your last shot? I know the returns are diminishing each week that there is no longer a shot taken, but say for example you ran 500mg a week of EQ, all in one pin a week, and you did it for 12 weeks.
If it took 8 weeks to notice the effects, and you kept going 4 more weeks with pins, it's not like the 12 week your gains stop. The hormone is then in your blood for the length of its half life anyway, which I believe with bold und is about 2 weeks. Using this logic, a 12 week cycle would still have you at a point where at week 14 your levels would just then begin to diminish. I remember seeing somewhere, and I wish I knew where, that if you run EQ, you start pct 3 weeks after the last pin, so you could argue that you will get SOME use of the hormone for another week on top of that, so isn't a 12 week cycle of EQ really 15 weeks of gains? Is this is accurate, a 12 week cycle would really give you 7 weeks of gains, which really isn't too much different than running say a 10 week cycle of test e, if that started going between weeks 3 and 6 depending on the user, then pct 2 weeks after last shot.
Sometimes I feel like keeping the cycle shorter and simpler isn't a bad thing, being by doing so, combined of course with proper pct and adequate time off, this would be a great way to keep the receptors pretty clean, no?
RustyhookerThe long esters in sust and eq run out long after the last pin. The last 2 runs had sust/eq....I ran a 5 week taper. So my overall 18 weeks, I stopped longs at 13. Still experimenting with it of course but currently I'm on 3rd week if pct and no emotional bs. Sex is great.
Basically it's looking deeper into clearance times.
Long versus short. Seems to really depend on end goal. If I was towards 10% @ 195, I'd run only short esters and short cycles. Just enough to keep me at the happy spot. Adding on 8+ pounds of mass, a 12 week long ester seems more logical. If your goal is 4 years from now being 30 lbs solid added, bulk and repeat.
I can't either, now at my age. Like I said man, at 22 I was lucky enough to have a sky high libido which never faltered. I don't see why EQ as a base, what's the point of that?
Remember running qv deca 300 solo about 12 years ago or so. I new shit about pct,ai, test as base.
My boy ran deca solo as well around the same time I did the Fina. He ran 1cc a week, and he had MASSIVE acne from it, and his dick didn't work. I never saw such bad acne, to the point of boils on his chest and back. Crazy, and he told me it took him months to get his dick working again.
How stupid we we're!
Yea man you could say that again...thank god for the Internet and eroids. This site truely changed my whole world
AnonI was running Tren E with some Bunk Test E and my dick was useless until i figured out what was going on but I was 39 at the time...
Yea that's no good, when you aren't expecting to run it solo like that. I was fortunate being I was so young I had no issues with libido at all.