High or low test with NPP? Personal experiences please
I know the old-school train of thought was to run test at A higher dose than NPP.(I think for the “deca-dick” which in my opinion is probably caused from the excess test converting to estrogen) however since NPP is stronger and going to use the same receptors making all that excess test just available to convert to estrogen is running test at a TRT dose (high enough to function properly) but allowing NPP at a dose of say 500 mgs a week plausible? someone like me who aromatizes at just the sight of test I think running a small dose of test just to stay functioning and running say 500 mg of NPP would allow for a great low sided cycle with the primary driver being the NPP and not having the estrogen sides as running test high. Anyone have any personal experience running low test and high npp?
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Over time there is no way npp is stronger than deca, the build up of the long ester stomps npp by a mile.
Npp just kicks quicker due to the shorter ester.
In my opinion and experience always have test higher than deca or npp.
Minimum of 100 higher.
Im still 2:1 in favor of test.
done them both ways with shorts and longs, as well as mixed short/longs together in one cycle. im good at 2.1, and 1.1....but 750 deca and 600 test I get deca dick. feels amazing but never happens.
with that said, everytime I juice my body seems to respond a little different. ive been off juice now for about 4 years and i can guarantee you when i cycle again itll be like relearning everything.
Alphamale500I really don't believe in that old school thought of keeping the test higher than the deca or NPP to avoid deca dick. The best way to avoid deca dick is to keep up with your bloodwork and use some caber if needed with your NPP. Maybe if you don't have any caber or prami, then a higher dose of test may help you avoid deca dick to an extent, just maybe!
But yes, a nice dose of NPP with just a little low dose of test is a great way to stack the two. And of course an A.I. with some caber or prami if that's your choice. But that stack will give you some awesome gains with minimal water retention. I've stacked those with excellent results. I added some Tbol which happens to be a fav of mine. Give it a shot, it won't disappoint.
susceptibility to aromatisation and sides, and any dislike for ancilliaries should fuel your decision.
It's a decision only you can make knowing your body. Since you aromatize easily I guess it might be wiser to try low Test with the NPP.
It all comes down to how your biology functions and no one can tell you how yours will respond. As you stated, typically guys run test higher. Some guys have posted on here they do just fine with higher nandrolone. I have run NPP at 300-350 mg on top of 200 mg test and felt great. Just remember to check your prolactin and estrogen baseline levels before starting and check at intervals during the nandrolone so you have intervene appropriately in terms of ancillaries.
There is an old rule: 2:1
PcushionThats the rule of thumb I use.
x2 - The gains rule ...
PcushionAbsolutely
I kicked deca with npp. 1 gram deca with 500 npp for the first 6 weeks, ran the deca out to 12 weeks. I put on about 30 pounds on that run with around 100 mgs of test every 7-10 days. Also used anadrol preworkout and took a break from the anadrol every few weeks. No sides except some shedding, great pumps, size and fullness, joints felt amazing and always ready to go with the old lady.
Great run.
Hell yeah, bro...can you provide an example of your cal/mac plan for that run?
It was fairly simple, chicken and rice mostly.
Oats and whey first thing in the morning, 60 carbs, 50 protein
2 hours later first chicken and rice meal. 2-3 chicken thighs or one chicken breast with two cups white rice. Maybe 50-60 protein, 75 carbs.
2-3 hours later same thing
2-3 hours later same thing
Preworkout take in an extra 75 quick carbs from pop tarts or some other crap
Train
Post workout whey shake 25-30 grams protein
Dinner of 75 protein, like to use steak here, 75-100 grams carbs from rice, pasta or potatoes.
It’s a rough estimate but close to my daily intake. Fats are probably 120-150. Protein 300-350 and carbs 450-500. Estimating just over 4000 cals total. Junk food thrown in probably once every 3-4 days, one meal of burgers or tacos or some other restaurant prepared meal.
Perfect...thank you, bro
PcushionThe debate of high test low 19-nor in this case NPP over low test high 19-nor is like a revolving door, or a dog chasing its tail, and I believe it all comes down to personal preference. I have done it both ways and have found I prefer high T to low 19-nor. That said my reasoning follows the same virtue as those who prefer higher 19-nor. I run 19-nor lower bc they do have have a higher affinity for the receptor and they are stronger so therefore I believe it takes less to produce the same results. I also believe that keeping hormones not natural to the human body to a minimal, produces less unwanted side effects and helps promote longevity to an extent. This is by far not a recommendation, this is just my experience and reasoning behind why I do what I do. Just try both and see where your sweet spot falls. Everyone is different and there is not a definitive answer to the question.