-5 Please help,Is it still possible to reverse aromatizing effects of nandrolone steroid?
Is it possible to reverse the aromatizing effects of nandrolone steroid?
I ask this question because I still have the same face as the moon face look. I took a powder form of the drug at age 20 ( 7 years ago) it was called Deca diboldazol (nandrolone). It might have been a pro hormone that I took.Totally stupid of me. I had no idea of the consequences it had and was dumb at such a young age and thought i wold get muscle from with little working out. I only took two tablets and I then stopped the tabs. i took nothing else.The next day my body was different all over from head to toe. face ( imagine permanent moon face look) legs,arms,stomach etc were all different/fatter and contoured differently.No diet including atkins and very low carb could get back my old body. I tried also an aromasin/novaldex pct which i realise now was pointless but that also did aromatize and the aromasin chiselled my face ever so slighlty overnight as well.I Then had cosmetic surgery abroad with the one of the best surgeons to suck out the fat all over my body and I now don't look much different.
From research it could be something with the androgen receptor and progesterone receptors may have bound together or something and estrogen as accelerated growth fusion or maybe bone growth?
All your opinions are welcome I'd like to know how I can reverse this if its even possible. It does seem nandrolone aromatized as soon as I took that steroid. I understand it could be too late too reverse it but its worth try if someone knows any info they can give me.
These are the exact ingredients of the steroid that I took which seems that most likely it wasn't pure deca diboldazol or nandrolone. I do realise my endocrine system isnt fully developed until the age of 25 and i was 20 when I took this drug.
I will list the entire ingredients and see what you can make of it.
l-leucine [( 2S ) 2 amino 4 methylpentanoic acid], nettle root extract (urtica dioica), containing 3, 4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran,saw palmetto extract (serenoa repens), containing bis o, [(1-4)-(1 1-6)] a hydroxy phloretin 2-0-glucoside, epicatechin,epiafzelechin, 4 hydroxy benzoic acid, protocatechuic acid, methylgallate,sitosterol and sistosterol 3-0 glucoside,dehydrepiandrosterone (5 androsten-3-beta-hydroxy 17-one,dindolylmethane (3,3- methylenebis - 1H-indole), beta sistosterol ]( 5 stigmasten 3-beta ol )] stigmasterol [5,22-stigma-stadien 3 beta ol)] from phytosterols 90% , ajuga turkestanica extract standardized for ecdysterones containing turkesterone ( 11,20 dihydroxyecdysone) ajugasterone ( 2S,3R,5R,9R,10R,11R,13R,14S,17S)-17-[(2R,3R) 2,3 dihdroxy -6 methylheptan-2-yl] 2,3,11,14 tetra hydroxy,10,13 dimethyl 3,4,5,9,11,12,15,16,17 decahydro, 1H cyclopenta [A] phenanthren-6-one), Cyasterone (2/A,3/A,5/A),22 R, 24s,25s,28r) 2,3,14,20,22 pentahydroxy-26,28 epoxystigmast 7 ene 6,26 dione,adenosine 5 triphosphate disodium (disodium [(2S,3S,4R,5R) 5 (6 aminopurin 9-yl) 3,4 dihodroxyoxolan 2 yl] methoxy hydroxyphosphory, oxy-oxido phosphoryl] hydrogen phospate, carthamus tinctorius seed, containing [(3S, 4S) 4 [3,4 dimeth oxyphenyl) methyl] 3 hydroxy 3 [(methoxy 4 [( 2S, 3R,4S,5R,6R) 3,4,5 trihdroxy 6 ( hydroxymethyl) oxan 2 Y] oxy-phenyl,methyl,oxolan 2 one,forskolin extract, (coleus forskohlii) containing 3R,4aR,5S,6S,6aS,10S,10aR,10bS ,3 ethenyl 6,10,10B trihydroxy- 3,4a,7,7,10a pentamethyl, 1,oxo 5,6,6a,8,9,10, hexahydro 2H benzo [f] chromen 5 yl acetate,piperine (piper nigrum), zinc citrate,
Other ingredients contain gelatin, titanium dioxide,rice flour,magnesium stearate FD&C # Red. Researched by soviet scientist at the institute of the chemistry of plant substances,academy of sciences,republic of Uzbekistan
I got blood work done in 2015 ( I haven't taken any sterids since) Here are my results. I had a 24-hour urine collection for adrenaline and non adrenaline, a late night saliva test, low-dose dexamethasone suppression test, prolactin of 147,cortisol 299,testosterone 21, SHBG 36.5, Oestradiol 112, TSH 1.01, T 4 13.6,T3 5.2,FSH 2, LH 4, Creatinine 91, EGFR 87, IGF 22 and normal liver function tests and vitamin D. I also tested negative for cushion's syndrome. I have been ruled out for Acromegaly.
My liver was fine. The results are -liver function tests serum-Albumin-serum 40, Total bilibrubin 12- alkaline phosphate serum 66, AST 20, ALT 18, Cholesterol serum 5.6, triglyceride serum 1.9, HDL cholesterol serum 1.20
What was strange was that there was only certain areas the surgeon could liposuction out. As the surgeon said some areas were harder skin instead of soft flappy skin that I had. I explained that this was not muscle to him and I told him it was the steroid that had left me with it permanently.
My face looks a slightly different now as they used a tiny canula to suck out the fat in my lower face and chin. the strange this was that the cosmetic surgeon sucked out the fat on the top of my palm and my foot and hip area which was what the powder steroid I took (2 tablets of deca dibolodazol at age 20) had left me with overnight,however the fat he sucked out didnt remove itself at all and it remains. I have found this very bizarre.
lets just say for example you all give me the benefit of the doubt and the steroid did transform my body which it 100 percent did overnight. I assume there is no way to reverse it and I am stuck with it as no one has any solutions for it?
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Have you considered that you just might be a lazy fatso and it wasn't the drugs at all ???
Fact 1:
Fact 2:
I think you're just looking to blame your problem on anything you can,......... cause it couldn't possibly be your lack of work ethic. If you put as much effort into working out as you have trying to blame a drug you took, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
THERE I SAID IT!!! Everyone else was just thinking it.
Dude you need to see another endocrinologist, your cortisol level is crazy high , and your prolactin if that's my/dl is insanely high unless it's miu/l . If it's the latter I'd ask for a head ct focusing on the pituitary area. I'm not a doc just have experience with pituitary problems. See another doc.
Hi goodfella1118 ,thanks for the message
My endocrinologist said that my cortisol and prolactin "show normal pituitary function" They were the very words that he said when he wrote me a letter.
He might be wrong so maybe it's worth getting those tests done again with a different endocrinologist . Do you think I don't need the DHEA blood test?
Yea I would recheck everything!
I dont have moon face but my body has morphed into something. Im very slightly bigger in the second photo. no more 3 pounds maximum. It just appears that Im fatter from my new look
Ive been told on another forum My DHEA could have been effected as DHEA was the only hormonal ingredient in that steroid I took
What was your weight in the first picture vs the second ? I think that’s the difference. You look like a teenager in the first one. I’ve had a Moon face many times. You don’t have one. When it happens your lips even swell up.
Just to clarify ive taken no more drugs. just two tabs for two weeks when i was 20 (the effects of the steroid occurred next day after 2 tabs) then five years later I did pct aromasin and novaldex on a very low dose and that didnt cure my problem. Im 27 now and havent done steroids since the aromasin in 2015.
You have to see it from my point of view. No one knows what these drugs do. Theres no info.yes,I will say again they changed me overnight and i'm not here to waste anyone's time or that I have body image disorder.
Lets say I do have a rare medical issue how do i go about this? I get FSH,LH and kidney test. say the Results come back normal and then what. Doctors know nothing about prohormones or steroids. My last doc was a waste of time.
I find it extremely difficult to stay positive when something very unusual has happened to me and you're all telling me im nuts. Please give me the benefit of the doubt.
If anyone thinks my face has just changed through aging from the two photos then they are deluded as even if i was fatter. the fat would be spread in different areas not an entire different new shape of face like me after taking them. I look almost like a different person. The shape of my face has totally gone-look again.
How many times do you have to be told to go to a fucking doctor?!
None of us are doctors. And even if we were, we couldn’t treat you without seeing you in person. The only advice you should take from this is to get to a god damn medical professional. Preferably an endocrinologist.
Doctors are understanding. If they’re not find a new one that is. Be honest with them and you’ll get this sorted out. If this story is even remotely true.
PS. You suck
RustyhookerHes trolled everyone here in 2 posts. Lol.
Yea I really gotta get better at ID’ing this shit
RustyhookerDude, ive been catfished so hard before that i grew gills and whiskers. Lol.
Thanks DRFROMPHILLY. Ive seen both a doctor and an endocrinologist But I will see new ones.
Good. Be 100% honest up front and you’ll eventually get it sorted. Have them check your thyroid too
This is a much better picture of me before i took the steroid and another photo of me soon after. I weighed exactly the same and I ate low carb/keto.
Notice my neck is bigger and face is much rounder. I look like a different person almost. Don't give me the "I am older,your face has changed nonsesnse' as my father and grandfather still have the same looking faces as me before i took the steroid.
http://tinypic.com/m/k0r5gl/2
http://i66.tinypic.com/10ckydh.jpg
I dont know what doc to find. Im out of ideas. My last doc didnt have a clue.I assume I need doc who specialises in prohormone drugs like what I took?
That’s not a moon face you’ve gained weight. Your fat it’s not water retention. Two pills didn’t do that. You need a shrink.
You need to talk to the right sort of doc and figure out what exactly happened and try to fix it. Stop your self doctoring and asking internet drs. The best advice anyone here can give you is get to the doctor! If you went to one, go to another. As somone who fixes broke things for a living, I can say there is always a reason something is wrong. It may take some digging but the answer is there.
I did take 2 tabs for the first two weeks but the effects were instant after only the first two tabs I took thats why I mention only two tabs
Shit i almost forgot -1
Ive been to the doctor and then do the endocrinologist and then i ended up on here.
Isn't the only way that we can settle this debate is if I rebuy the tablets and get someone to try the tabs or a mouse test them or something ( not that its really possible). to find out what this drug really does. I dont think anyone would want to guinea pig themselves to test this drug and I wouldn't blame them but wow do I want to prove to you all that i'm not messing around.
I'll run that shit i aint no bitch get me the tabs
Actually, what first needs to happen is you to be honest. You have told the story twice,......... but you changed the facts between the stories. How can we take you seriously, if you can't keep your fucking story straight.
@ modified. Are assume you are being serious? because thats what it has been done to my face and made me uglier. Is there a solution to reverse this?
No, but you could join the circus.
Excellent,......... EROIDS Employment Agency.
Deca diboldazol (nandrolone with the genotoxic diboldazol ester attached) is known to have these terrible and permanently disfiguring side effects. Even from just two pills. Yes, two pills. That is why it is NEVER mentioned on this site. Immediately remove all references to said substance or suffer painful flogging and eternal banishment.
ask matt ogus about the moonface. lol... seriously, if you are not trolling, go and see a doctor.
KMC's poll on what we should do with this dumb F&*K.
[ ] Coddle the poor little boy.
[ ] Ban his sorry ass.
hmmm fuck its a hard decision ...
Not really.
i was being sarcastic
I was being honest.
lol wheres that dam hammer at already
Im going to take Luteinising Hormone (LH) to see whats going on in my pituary gland. i dont know any other options. i will post my results when I get them
You don't know and other options???
GO TO A DOCTOR !!!
Is that not an option??
To bad it wasn't a buzz from a couple shots of whisky that lasted years lol
"I had no idea of the consequences it had and was dumb at such a young age and thought i wold get muscle from with little working out."
-1 cause I hate lazy guys they do experiments with medicals!!! You're just 25, smh...
Bigshinsu77I just don't see how you have permanent and immediate side effects from only taking 2 tablets once upon a time! Just doesn't seem realistic!
RustyhookerI only took two tablets and I then stopped the tabs. i took nothing else.The next day my body was different all over from head to toe. face ( imagine permanent moon face look) legs,arms,stomach etc were all different/fatter and contoured differently
Bullcrap. Go troll elsewhere
You believe this stupid shit ? I bet hes a flat earther
okay so Someone on another forum said that my HPTA could haven been effected? is there a solution to this.
(Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis. It all begins with a gland located in your head called the hypothalamus when it releases a measured amount of GnRH (also known as LH-releasing hormone)
Im not crazy guys! Ever thought I could be the first victim with this problem having taken this specific drug.
As head of The International Association of Internet Doctors, ........ you're asking the wrong people.
Go see a real doctor.
Oh yes, the ol IAID. Well chief, by only taking 2 it sounds like He must have crushed them, snorted them and it went straight to his dome-
Sadly it seems that the drugs have caused memory problems with the OP. Or he's a compulsive liar/TROLL.
Another example of why little kiddies shouldn't take steroids.
Bro that's a mess. Took two pills and you're having sides five years later? See your doc.
In his first post he took 2 pills a day for two weeks. Now its just he took two pills. I think rusty is right he needs to go troll somewhere else
Guy is a clown
Aparently has done some research though too bad he didnt research how to make friends here
Please explain , I don't think you gave us enough info.
yes that was part of the same problem the old post.
I feel Im closer to finding the problem (if at at all) as this post is the best information I have to offer and in detail infromation for you kind chaps to help me with.
Just to let you know I do not have body image disorder or need to see a psychiatrist.