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So what's the deal. Going on first cycle of test e 500mg week for 12 weeks. Adex as needed. Clomid and nolvadex for pct. Hcg as needed as well. Smoking Marijuana have an effect? Aside from appetite increase and pain relief.anything adverse? Would drinking on occasion cause issues? Getting drunk here and there?
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Drinking on occasions should be okay just don't over do it.
I've found that most bodybuilder friends of mine need marijuana heavily. It's the only thing that keeps them from dropping their pants and doing quad poses anytime they come across a mirror;)
It isn't working on me! LMAO!
I love quad poses ;)
Booze will fuck your gains. First hand on that. Nothing like working your ass off, spending your money and then tossing it away each night shot by shot. Best to commit fully. Some pot, if that helps you relax, I don't see much of an issue with - at least I don't see it interfering with your gains.
Alcohol will definitely effect your gains, in many ways, hangovers etc...
Cannabis has the potential to make someone very lazy and unmotivated
so I wouldn't suggest daily if its a must.
Yeah, that is precisely the way both those drugs affect me. Weed makes me foggy, lazy, anxious, and antisocial. I just don't enjoy it the way I used to. But I don't see anything wrong with smoking if you enjoy it. And alcohol just ruins me. One night of drinking costs me several days of productivity. Nothing I have ever done is more counterproductive than alcohol personally.
CoblerWeeds a bums drug and getting drunk here and there is ok if you want to reduce your gains. Booze dehydrates you and reduces protein absorbsion. Your choice, dedicate or be a part timer.
Curious what you think makes weed so much worse than alcohol?
IMO alcohol is among the most hazardous drugs one could use, and weed is among the most benign.
I personally don't love either at this point in my life, but I don't see what is wrong with smoking pot if it is something you enjoy. I almost don't know anyone who doesn't occasionally smoke, and I never encounter folks who take such a strong position against it.
What is your opinion on weed vs. something like tren?
Thread bumped for entertainment. It iseems an interesting and valid topic, and fascinating to read the varying reactions from members.
This is one of the few topics on this board that the veterans seem a little confused with. Of the drugs mentioned in this thread, I would say that alcohol and pain killers are the most harmful; by far. MJ and LSD are about as benign as drugs could be.
I see several folks on here blasting LSD, but this is mostly based on a misguided perception. Acid is about as far from a performance enhancer as any drug could be, but recreational use(hard to do anything but recreational use) isn't going to lead to any lasting problems and it won't have a specific adverse affect on aas. It isn't a good practice on cycle because the user is unlikely to have restful(or any) sleep, is likely to feel "scrambled" for a few days, it unlikely to eat, and will probably miss a few days in the gym.
Personally, I don't do anything better stoned, and I rarely smoke. But apparently some people perform better after a few tokes. As most people have said, it's pretty harmless.
Pain killers(opiates) and alcohol are much more troublesome in my experience than many other drugs, regardless of aas use.
Peace.
Great bump brother. I think it is a little funny that guys on here inject copious amounts of gear from UGL's, homebrews, random eastern European labs, and bootleg veterinary drugs and then shit when you mention weed or hallucinogens. How about a little perspective, right? haha
Personally, in my twenties I used almost every hallucinogen imaginable and I have used marijuana regularly for over 15 years. As of my most recent check up, my health markers are all perfect, I've never had mental health issues, and I remain a productive member of society.
Just like anything else, these drugs can be bad or good depending on your personality and how you use them. I totally agree with your view on opiates and alcohol, they will definitely fuck you up, sometimes permanently. Bad idea on cycle and in general.
Thanks bro. And I obviously couldn't agree with you more. I am pretty close to sober these days, but not because I have a problem with stuff like pot or acid. Or really anything for that matter. My preferences have just changed as I have aged, and it becomes a rarer and rarer occasion that I do something psychoactive.
Frankly, there is a lot more to consider health-wise with AAS than most drugs. And people who think AAS are not addictive are fooling themselves. It's a slippery slope.
Tren has a negative effect on psychedelics I have found. Not bad trip wise, just "unclear" for lack of a better description.
Psychedelics were strictly for entertainment when I was a young man. As an over forty they are about searching and self awareness. They are not in any way related to bodybuilding. They are not something you do frequently in any event. In our busy rat race lifestyles it is hard to allocate the time and space needed to check out for awhile.
MJ, on the weekends I prefer to take a few tokes before I hit the gym. It seems to help get me in that zone, it also certainly improves my feelings with my music as well. So you are rocking out and blasting the weight. All with zero calories.
That is an interesting point you make about psychedelics and tren, and I appreciate you pointing that out. Tren is something I have no experience with, and I would hate to make a misleading comment that led to someone having a bad experience. And given what I have heard about tren, it does make sense that it could potentially be a terrible combination with acid, mushroom, etc...
And I agree with your comments about about the way the purpose of psychedelics changes for folks as they age. Well said. I myself am 37 and couldn't have described the transition any better. I will occasionally take psychedelics, but much less so than when I was younger. I find it much harder to let my mind go as I age. As we get older, the stakes for everything become higher, and I find myself much more aware of my mortality. I know enough at this point to be very selective about the circumstances I am in before using psychedelic drugs.
Like I said, I don't do much better after smoking, but certainly MJ and music are a great combination. If I smoke and try to hit the gym, things don't go real well for me personally.
I regularly go to the gym red eyed, and smoke everyday. No negative effects whatsoever, just positive for me. That mind muscle connection is priceless.
As for alcohol tho, that will fuck me up. Can't train the day after and feel and look flat. No good for the avid gym goer.
Im glad you said something about mind muscle connection when your high. Its a whole different experience i suggest everyone try it a few times.
I posted this to start a conversion. From a chemical standpoint affecting gear. I edited out part of my question. the intent was for information. since alcohol and MJ is prevelent everywhere and Mj becoming legal in a few states. I should have stated that my use of alcohol and MJ are minimal at best. sometimes a social drinker and light when i do drink. occasional smoke at night before bed and very occasional at that. and the part of the question i deleted i have never nor would ever try. I know people who do that on gear and was very curious to know how psychoactives would effect chemistry of the gear itself or responses in the brain.
It seemed to me like a question that should be discussed as adults for safe practice purposes. im sure it has in the past. I just wanted to know if i had a social drink or 2 with my wife or a quick smoke b4 bed, should i be concerned about a reaction with any of the AI/PCT/Test that i am currently or will be taking during my cycle.
Obviously abuse of any of these is dangerous in its own matter. That include gear and all that comes with it. but that wasnt the question asked.
Thanks for all the helpful answers
Thanks for clarification...be safe bro...
all of the above are catabolic, lsd "acid wangers" draws all water out of your muscles and also taxes your spinal fluid, alcohol messes with protein synthesis and dehydrates you as well, weed isnt good for growing muscle either, people say it gives you " munchies" or " hunger' true to an extent but its due to enhanced sense of smell and taste, you have nasty cotton mouth/ dry mouth or i think they call it desitys, everything tastes better etc, if your serious about the game we do and using steroids, best to avoid all together, as for mental or "psycoactives, depends on the individual, myself for instance, when i get drunk, i have a good, fun time, untill the end of the night, then i want too fight, add in steroids and the extra strength and aggression, not a good mix, as for the weed, it does lead to skitsophenia, psychosis, paranoia. panic attacks and delusional after long term everyday abuse, lsd? who the fuck knows what it does, some batches got seized and tested from the law in my country and the paper tabs contained battery acid and ammonia.
You are making some big and unfounded leaps with your statements bro. Especially with whole MJ leads to schizophrenia BS. I have been using MJ for most of my adult life as do most everyone I know and other than your normal pissing matches none of us are delusional. Alcohol in moderation will not have a noticeable effect on what we do. Marijuana has no calories, no fat, no carbs. It is as benign a substance as you can find. Aspirin is more dangerous.
Hallucinogenics are a bit trickier but again. in moderation or on a special occasion it isn't going to effect your cycle or performance afterward as long as you are not abusing it. Sure we can all recommend not doing anything but lift and eat but it is not realistic nor should we be acting like the government and replacing facts with opinions.
lol i should of stated, long term abuse, the people who smoke it 24/7 for years. same with the drinking, im meant alcoholics, im not talking your social guys who smoke a spliff or a few bongs a day, the ones who smoke that shit all day and all night, wake up in the night and reach for the bong, or wake up in the morning and start cracking beers. as for the lsd i dont know.
all i know is that recently at a group therapy sessions, i was attending for mental health issues and anger management this is what they told us
there is no problem with smoking a bit of pot, just not all day everyday.
Understood and I agree
lol my little brother is one, from year 12 at high school straight a student with high ter score of 98, studied law for 2 years and dropped out, he was smoking almost half an ounce a day of chemical indoor stuff, bong after bong, as soon as he wakes untill he goes to bed, even wakes up to smoke it, then with the alcohol, shit hes knocked on my bedroom window at 8am to go get drunk lol, he has fully gone down hill, was an aspiring footy player etc etc, i have noticed his intelligence go down hill in the last 7 years go down big, he is out of shpe and to be hones a slob, he holds a job down barely but he drinks and smokes it on the the job, but i agree with you also, its based on individual, maybe predisposed, or enhances i dont know, but every time i see someone for my issues, they always ask me, do you smoke mj lol.
any who, lol,
I wanted to post this in retrospect to some of my posts in this thread for clarification and informational purposea regarding op's question...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAAahUKEwjf8s7F...
Are you serious? Spend a bit of time on the search bar here and Im sure some of your questions will be answered but in all seriousness, doesn't your question answer itself. Minus one for a bad idea right off jump street for your cocktail ingredients
By reading some comments, seems like some people are just trying to justify their own addictions. BRB, I'm gonna smoke some crack with moderation as a Pre Workout
That whole jumping off the rails with the "crack" comment, you learned that on facebook didn't you? lol
I'm too high on this shit to answer...
Smoking it for a pre-workout is for amatures! ;-)
You gotta start somewhere bruh
I guess meth would be a start... Lol
Figures, people give a serious reply and the junior high schoolers start goofing off...
There was no reason to neg him,it was a valid question that elicited a varied reply.
I see not one single issue why you couldn't responsibly use cannabis. Not chemically or physically.
Truthfully, neither will the other two, if used responsibly and sparingly. Some people can do that and others cannot.
i negged the post mate, thought talking about illicit drugs in forum was against the rules, only negged because of the lsd, not the weed or alcohol.
hes bak to wear he began anyway so i wont plus him.
lol please do us a favor darth, can you put up a post in general just updating rules, in hollywoods taboo post it says any talk of illicit substances is instant ban, time for an update/ frsehen up i think lol!
You are probably right. But MJ is a gray area since it is legal in many states here. LSD is probably across the line but it was a valid question so I let it go. This thread will self destruct when it runs its course.
no worries mate, yeah the mj thing doesnt faze too much, even here in oz they are studying it for possible medisinal use, the lsd though lol.
would be good to get fresh updates of what is and isnt acceptable, i dont mean this in a "disrespectful" way of course, just gotta cover our asses too.
cheers darth!
What Hollywood found acceptable and what I do are probably a little different lol
Thats true....i drug test myself frequently to make sure that i am not abusing mj. And, i weigh small amounts for use that are always under .25g. Thats why NIDA set a standard cut off level. Honestly, i believe 50ng is to low. It used to be 100ng, but NIDA lowered it due to the fact it was easier to pass with a gallon of water. Responsible users who take pride in themselves and hold themselves accountable for their actions have a tendency to achieve success at a faster rate. Look at all of us on here and what we do. We draw blood work for our AAS use.
What is your point with the NIDA stuff? I can't really tell if you are mocking me or adding to the conversation..
National Institute of Drug Abuse sets cut off levels on ELISA and radio immuno assay tests
for abuse of drugs.
And even their numbers are arbitrary and based on political emotion more than science. That is one plant that never deserved its classification.
I know and i understand where u are coming from. Times are changing, though, and science is helping. Also, many peoples view points are less critical of mj than what they were just.10 yrs ago....
Adding bro...not my style to mock...there are responsible users of all drugs...
Right on. I was already getting fired up at the other bunch and didn't want to take it out on you, I really wasn't sure. All good bro.
All good.brother...
LSD??? You MUST be kidding right??? I wouldn't mess with that stuff ON or OFF cycle!
If u do any of those drugs a lot currently, or have done for a while, when u get ur pre cycle blood work u should share the results with us....thc and alcohol alone tax your liver...thc breaks down to phenol and ether. Alcohol is damaging too...lsd vasocontricts...so not a good idea...
In my opinion if you're at the point where you're using steroids the party lifestyle drinking drugs etc should be a thing of the past, something you stoped a long long time ago. I don't smoke but I don't see an issue with it unless you're the kinda person who smokes all day long. But a little bit after your day is done and after youre done lifting isn't and issue in my eyes. I wish I liked smoking. I would rather do that to increase my hunger then take an expermental non approced drug like ghrp-6 all the time to increase my appetite. Atleat we now what weed does.
Maybe like Darth said above, some people can do it bro. I can't give 100% in the gym in the wake of any recreational drug use. But, that's me. I need a lot of quality sleep otherwise I'm useless. When I was smoking it compromised my breathing. I don't think it's a consistent train of thought to want to improve athletic performance to the point of using steroids and still have one foot in the "party lifestyle" as you put it. LOL
I am definitely not gonna deny the fact that using it makes u "laggy" that next morning and hard to get up...thats when the coffee helps...lol...