Killer back pump experiences
Hey guys, so I'm and endurance athlete and I am experiencing what I think are crippling back pumps from my roids. However I'm trying to figure out if this is actually an injury of some sort or just pumps from my aas. The pain I feel is like a very intense tightness from a muscle cramp but it doesn't subside until I stop running, so I constant relentless cramping. I feel it right above and around the tips of my tailbone, so on the sides around the spine that are the lower back muscles. Would you guys say this is what you felt when you had your back pumps?
Now if these are from my aas, I really need to cut the roid that's causing this or rid the pumps another way. Here's my cycle. Yes they're low doses since I wanted the cycle mostly for recovery and maintaining lean mass despite catabolic heavy running mileage.
Test prop 200 mg/ wk
Mast prop 300 mg / wk
Npp 200 mg/wk
Tbol 25 mg/ day
Var 30 mg / day
Halotestin 20 mg once or twice per week for a hard workout
Other questions (sorry for the long thread)
1.Now I've read orals can cause pumps, so my first plan is to cut out the orals. However, is it possible for injectables to cause pumps?
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Is it possible to only have crippling pumps in the lower back but not the calves? I do get pumps when I left but they don't hurt like this and they don't stop me from physical activity like my back is
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Has anyone found high doses of taurine to get rid of the pumps? I'm also hydrating a ton and keeping sodium low
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I've read Tbol and var give calf pumps but has anyone gotten just the back pumps like me?
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I haven't read bad pumps as a halo side anywhere but has anyone had that
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How long after stopping my orals should I expect pumps to subside ( assuming the orals cause this?)
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Was looking into anadrol for future cycles if I wanted more mass. Anyone have back pumps on this stuff?
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If one type or aas gave you pumps, does that mean all pump inducing roids will make you suffer? Like are some people predisposed to bad pumps as a general side effect for most of their aas?
Thanks for reading guys, loving my cycle but the back pumps are destroying my running and I'm desperate to fix this ASAP
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RustyhookerCycle is insane for stats and goals. Ebtire kitchen sink approach.
Whats your cycle history? Youre a little young for aa's at 24. Your natural test should give you great results at your age. Also, read this after you post your cycle history.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/someone-enlighten-me
My lab test about a month ago had my sodium at HIGH above the normal range. I think I had this mixed up with avoiding water weight gains (stay very hydrated, keep sodium low). not sure if low sodium relates to pumps, but if too much causes dehydration, I could see it yielding cramps. Interesting read though, I will retest soon to make sure sodium didn't fall below normal range.
LOW!!.... you have 1.4 grams of NPP in there ? are you having a laugh or what ??????????
Stats and cycle history before any advice.
I'm hoping that should say / week in the op's post. Even still, 3 orals, multiple different compounds.....
yeah I meant 200 mg/ wk on the NPP. the orals weren't run at the same time, the var was for 4 weeks then switched to tbol. I started with just test for 2 weeks, then added NPP, then added mast 2 weeks later just seeing how the body reacted to each compound. I thought halo was interesting as a pre-competition boost so I have been seeing how it affects my hardest workouts that are once or twice per week. Pretty much just testing out sources and seeing how my body reacts to different compounds. I've run 3 cycles before this of just test and var, but saw no changes adding the var so might've been fake or under dosed. I am definitely an amateur at this stuff compared to you guys, so thats why I'm here asking for your wisdom and experience. I didn't expect anyone to like my cycle but thats what it is and I'm hoping someone could focus on the back pumps topic and help me out
leonidas7Wow, it's sad to see such quick bashing and rude comments over a typo. Seriously guys, this cycle ain't anything too crazy. His doses on the orals are quite modest as well, hell, so even the var/tbol done together for just a few weeks would have probably been fine. But as we can see he wasn't even running them at the same time.
Also nice to see NO CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE, just bashing.
Personally, 3-5 grams of Taurine seems to help me with cramps and painful pumps. That might be worth a shot.
Do you train wearing a belt most of the time? If not, try wearing one even on the lifts that you don't normally. A little support in the region might mean less muscle recruited down there, which might keep some of the blood out of the lower back when you are training. Just a suggestion.
Well said. And grounded advice, but....
But the Cycle does seem to be on the heavy side and may be attributing to his back pumps. I usually do not get back pumps on a AAS cycle as much as PH cycle, but this cycle of his is very......aggressive. IMHO.
I would drop the halotestin like a hot piece of metal and cut all the doses down. Especially at that age.
In Chinese medicine, they consider lower back pain stress on the kidney region. Is the case here? One cannot say, but the root cause may be the AAS. I would cycle off slowly, get on a PCT regimen and see a chiropractor or acupuncturist. If it is as bad as he said, I wouldn't take a chance.
thanks man! I mean I'm sure my cycle isn't the best and it deserves some criticism, but at least throw some help my way when you're done bashing me haha. Trying out the taurine now. No belt on lifts, will look into that
IMO the belt on lifts is not a good idea unless youre going super heavy. Belts when not needed weaken the smaller support muscles and will make the problem worse, not better.
RustyhookerExactly! Taurine and drop the odd stack he's on.
Yeah, agreed. Drop all the stack, educate while recovering/pct. Look at from a fresh perspective.
The real advice is drop your cycle you are running a 6 compound stack for a 150 lb runner, but you'd rather take the one go ahead from a banned member
I dropped all the orals and NPP and started taking 10g taurine pre workout (only test and mast prop now). 5 days and no relief yet. Calves pumped and even my jaw get pumps when I chew. could the orals still be in my system this long or could I be getting pumps from the mast? Now I'm reading that people get pumps from mast and test.... bummer
No the orals would be out of your system. When you say pump is it a pain like a cramp or just a pump in general? Maybe some more potassium. Are you drinking enough water? You're gonna get a pump in your muscles with test, it increase tissue growth and protein synthesis. I can't speak on the mast, cause I've personally never used it. But if it's a good pump that's what we all strive for. What was your reasoning behind including Mast? I still think you should cut your loses go into PCT, give your body some rest and do a much simpler cycle next time.
RustyhookerYup!
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Go into the weight loss section and read the op's post. Then add the T3 etc to this cycle and you'll have the full picture. It's a bit more complex than just this post.
Whilst I respect your opinion, I don't really see "bashing" going on here and it doesn't look like the op took it that way either. A bit of "tough love", but that's sometimes the only way to get through. I assume you're referring to the way our Moderator reacted? (Probably not a good idea for you to critique V btw). I believe this cycle is utterly ridiculous for the ops experience level and to be honest his goals. Because we see more ridiculous cycles doesn't dilute that down.
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So you think that adding these additional compounds in a cycle that he has no prior experience with is ok?
leonidas7I don't particularly advocate running multiple new compounds together for the first time, but at least this isn't his first cycle. That being said, the doses seem hardly a concern even if he is stacking them on a first time. We see way crazier every day.
He isn't asking for a cycle critique. He isn't asking your opinion of his cycle, as good or as terrible at it is.
He asked a specific question regarding lower back pumps, outlined some potential strategies and concerns, and went from there. Why not just answer it if you can, assuming you have ANY feedback even to give?
I was relaxing towards your attitude at first then realised you had not dug into the OPs other posts which included T3 and some other stims which looked like they could explode a mans heart at 50 paces..... so basically coming in here mouthing off without doing your homework first was a very bad move.. i never see you giving ANY advice out but instead you choose the easy option of attacking guys that are in the trenches every single fkn day!..... NOT ON SON!!.... so for this my friend leonidas i am putting my boot in your chest and kicking you into the pit.
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!
It has to be a joke bro............ but i dont think it is... he is pretty specific how he logged the nandro phen prop, and everybody knows its a short and not a weekly thing... even EOD he would still be hitting 800mg..... i prefer to think he knows he is running nearly 3 grams of compounds weekly, and not even a bodybuilder :/..... he is running more weight in gear than me at the moment and i am touching 260 at bedtime.
You would think a runner would be on the lighter side of the AAS spectrum then what he is. Unless he is carrying pianos while he is running.
You would think proviron/anavar cycle at a medium dose would be more advantageous for that type of athletic domain, no?
Same here, more than twice what I'm on at near 270lbs.
What would we know though eh?
Brother.... lets face the facts here, towards these young know it alls on here who when i look at some of their piccies look like they dont run gear at all but logs show they run gramms by the bucket load it makes me laugh like fuck!.... you know we seem to go through stages on here like sometimes things are good and the mind is sweet!... i am hitting the wall again with my head because of the lunacy being shown again lately.... i seriously just drop by this section for a fkn laugh, i have no heart to even try to put these numb skulls straight anymore.
They can all crash and burn for all i care now.
Regardless I have a feeling this may be his first cycle, and is a prime example of why test alone should be the first cycle then add compounds one at a time, with that mish mash of shit how's he to know what's causing it. His previous posts are interesting also. Rectal administration?
Bruv, after the time I've been here nothing suprises me any more. If people want to run stuff like this, fill your boots ;)
Put your stats in here also. Is this your first cycle?
they're on my profile. 4th cycle but before was just test prop 200 mg/wk and possibly fake var 40mg/day. no back pumps then.