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Kick starting an eq cycle with bold over frontloading

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Just wanting to know anyones thoughts, concerns, or experiences on this topic.

Doss's picture

I've done it. It's such a long, slow-releasing ester that it only shaves a couple weeks off the peak time. Double frontload Still takes 5-7 weeks to reach plasma peak, and pct has to be a couple weeks later, which doesn't apply to me of course.

Bold cyp is where it's at. One frontload and you're full swing week two, and pct starts at regular time. Problem is finding bold cyp

cry_havoc's picture

What do you mean by a double front load Doss?

Doss's picture

Two weeks instead of one

hooligan16's picture

Sent you a FR brother

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cry_havoc's picture

OK

hooligan16's picture

Ive got bold cyp, I was gonna run my eq at 700mg wk test e at 1000mg and deca at 600mg, If I was to frontload the bold what dosage would I go with?

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Doss's picture

Why so high on the test??

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What would you suggest on the test? Highest Ive ever gone is 750mg Should I stay at that?

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gly4197's picture

I run my test at 500 mg with my eq at 800 but I'm not on my 4th cycle either I guess it depends on how much you have done up to.this point.

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I'll tell you what I do and why and let you make your own choice:

When I design mine or others stacks, I try to think about receptors when it's a multi compound stack. A lot of these will compete for the same receptor, so too much binding by one can limit binding of another. Abundance is one of the factors that affects this.

So, when I design a multi compound stack, I look at first the goals so I know what is trying to be accomplished. Then I look at cycle history so I can determine which compounds are available. Then, I look at which compounds carry characteristics in line with the goal. Lastly, I pick dosages that accommodate not only the goal but the compounds chosen.

The more compounds in the stack, the less emphasis I like to place on test. Why? Because the other compounds are added because of their individual characteristics. Why flood receptors with test and limit receptor binding capabilities and cellular activity of these added compounds? Lowering test leaves more receptors available for the added compounds to bind with, which means they can now better do their job.

I would run my test low enough to get the basic anabolic benefits of the hormone (300-500). The deca is where I'd truly get my bulking from, so I'd focus that not the test (500-600). The eq would be good for keeping my hunger/appetite elevated for my bulk. Vascularity, improved cardio endurance, and helping keep my gains hard (600-900).

Personally tho, if you have bold cyp, man I'd run that over eq. Same hormone, faster acting.

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Thanks for your input as well my friend

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hooligan16's picture

Looking to bulk, Im 39ys old 5'9 185lbs bf 7-9% I have a naturally low bf, rarely do cardio. Ive always been a hard gainer

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Around 6, but took around 15yrs off untill the cycle Im just finishing up now

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Doss's picture

Well then, brother, glad to see you chime in! This is exactly why I love this site!!

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Right on, homie. All work no play gets old. Time to play a bit

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Thanks brother, I appreciate the info.

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hooligan16's picture

Ive ran eq in the past with good results with test and deca. Was just wondering if you could speed up the process. Dont know much about bold, thats why I was asking. Think I stick to whats worked in the past and not try to rush things. Think I should do a bit more research on the bold. Thanks bro

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irongame427's picture

You really want me to throw my ace away don't you lol. How bad can this stuff be.

Doss's picture

I've still not sucked it up and ran ace. Lol. Fell in love with bold cyp when I found it. Good frontload and no need to kick. But you can't really stock up on it. Shit seems to crash for damn near any reason.

Doss's picture

Yeah. I had two bottles out of 4 crystallize on me at room temp. One of them dissolved and remained after heating once. One had to be reheated several times. Don't understand it. Pip wasn't that bad tho

Doss's picture

Very true. Some other factors are the carrier oil and amounts of solvents used.

For example, me and EO get along good. But I know some people that can't handle it without a reaction.

Also, recently I ran some mast e that i swear was full of BA. Flu was outrageous, and the shit would literally burn on the way in and be sore for days, and I had blended it with a sesame seed oil based test cyp. Had to heat it each time to make it more tolerable.

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Appreciate the help brother! Thank you for your time.

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Instead of running eq for say 16 weeks. Could you kick start it by running bold cyp or bold ace for like the first 4 weeks to get it into you system quicker to cut your cycle time down.

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