posted Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:49
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Kick starting an eq cycle with bold over frontloading
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Just wanting to know anyones thoughts, concerns, or experiences on this topic.
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I've done it. It's such a long, slow-releasing ester that it only shaves a couple weeks off the peak time. Double frontload Still takes 5-7 weeks to reach plasma peak, and pct has to be a couple weeks later, which doesn't apply to me of course.
Bold cyp is where it's at. One frontload and you're full swing week two, and pct starts at regular time. Problem is finding bold cyp
What do you mean by a double front load Doss?
Two weeks instead of one
Sent you a FR brother
OK
Ive got bold cyp, I was gonna run my eq at 700mg wk test e at 1000mg and deca at 600mg, If I was to frontload the bold what dosage would I go with?
Why so high on the test??
What would you suggest on the test? Highest Ive ever gone is 750mg Should I stay at that?
I run my test at 500 mg with my eq at 800 but I'm not on my 4th cycle either I guess it depends on how much you have done up to.this point.
I'll tell you what I do and why and let you make your own choice:
When I design mine or others stacks, I try to think about receptors when it's a multi compound stack. A lot of these will compete for the same receptor, so too much binding by one can limit binding of another. Abundance is one of the factors that affects this.
So, when I design a multi compound stack, I look at first the goals so I know what is trying to be accomplished. Then I look at cycle history so I can determine which compounds are available. Then, I look at which compounds carry characteristics in line with the goal. Lastly, I pick dosages that accommodate not only the goal but the compounds chosen.
The more compounds in the stack, the less emphasis I like to place on test. Why? Because the other compounds are added because of their individual characteristics. Why flood receptors with test and limit receptor binding capabilities and cellular activity of these added compounds? Lowering test leaves more receptors available for the added compounds to bind with, which means they can now better do their job.
I would run my test low enough to get the basic anabolic benefits of the hormone (300-500). The deca is where I'd truly get my bulking from, so I'd focus that not the test (500-600). The eq would be good for keeping my hunger/appetite elevated for my bulk. Vascularity, improved cardio endurance, and helping keep my gains hard (600-900).
Personally tho, if you have bold cyp, man I'd run that over eq. Same hormone, faster acting.
AnonOnly problem I see bro is there is very little androgenic properties to deca. It's highly anabolic which is why there's so much aromatization that goes along with it. The higher the dose of Deca the more aromatization. Also the lower the dose of Test(which is a more powerful androgen) means in effect that there is an underutilization/saturation of androgens at the androgen receptor. Which in my experience means softer muscles, more water, with more mass but quality will be very low.
I've run this stack before and wasn't to thrilled with running Deca and EQ together. They aren't synergistic IMO. What's missing is more androgens. Anadrol/masteron(DHT) will most likely make this stack a lil better IMO. I like to set up my bulk stacks to be anabolic and androgenic. The actual gains might be less but they're a bit more permanent that way.
When I see low test, higher deca, higher EQ I see an all anabolic stack which will get some gains but it will mostly be wet and temporary.
Thanks for your input as well my friend
AnonWhat exactly is the goal for this stack homeboy?
Looking to bulk, Im 39ys old 5'9 185lbs bf 7-9% I have a naturally low bf, rarely do cardio. Ive always been a hard gainer
AnonHow many cycles so far have you run?
Around 6, but took around 15yrs off untill the cycle Im just finishing up now
Well then, brother, glad to see you chime in! This is exactly why I love this site!!
AnonLol the feeling is mutual. Glad to see you back around bro.
Right on, homie. All work no play gets old. Time to play a bit
Thanks brother, I appreciate the info.
Ive ran eq in the past with good results with test and deca. Was just wondering if you could speed up the process. Dont know much about bold, thats why I was asking. Think I stick to whats worked in the past and not try to rush things. Think I should do a bit more research on the bold. Thanks bro
RustyhookerYes you can speed it up. Downside is rbc also speeds up. I started feeling crappy about week 7, donated a pint then felt good. Yes, it would be smarter to look at bold cyp to match deca//enanthate. Hit it and recover. Bold ace, i ran it 100Mg eod. Blended had pip to it. The actions i fully liked....hunger, strength etc. But the pip got to me at week 4. Ace also gives a lil flu so just load up vitamin c,b abd zinc.
You really want me to throw my ace away don't you lol. How bad can this stuff be.
RustyhookerIf you run the math and blend it's like strong prop. Without blending, not recommended. So if your weekly eq is 600, run the math so you can pin the ace/eq eod. Gotta remenber too that i hit the origional recipe here as Guinea pig. Newer recipes msybe less bite.. Blending about cures everything.
I've still not sucked it up and ran ace. Lol. Fell in love with bold cyp when I found it. Good frontload and no need to kick. But you can't really stock up on it. Shit seems to crash for damn near any reason.
RustyhookerJ223 mentioned morning hairdryer treatments to the cyp. Lol! But he too raved about it. Would be nice to get the eq run a lil quicker. The thing about standard eq is plenty of time to make switches if needed or desired.
Yeah. I had two bottles out of 4 crystallize on me at room temp. One of them dissolved and remained after heating once. One had to be reheated several times. Don't understand it. Pip wasn't that bad tho
RustyhookerThats good to hear. Everyones tolerance for pip is so different. You been here so long i know i can get good accurate info.
Very true. Some other factors are the carrier oil and amounts of solvents used.
For example, me and EO get along good. But I know some people that can't handle it without a reaction.
Also, recently I ran some mast e that i swear was full of BA. Flu was outrageous, and the shit would literally burn on the way in and be sore for days, and I had blended it with a sesame seed oil based test cyp. Had to heat it each time to make it more tolerable.
RustyhookerDefinitly stock up when ya find that happy spot. There's some awesome brewers out there.
Appreciate the help brother! Thank you for your time.
RustyhookerAnytime!
RustyhookerStats? Priors? Goals?
I love eq but have no idea what you're asking?! Lol
Instead of running eq for say 16 weeks. Could you kick start it by running bold cyp or bold ace for like the first 4 weeks to get it into you system quicker to cut your cycle time down.
RustyhookerBold cyp would be similar to the regular 12-14 week cycle. Ace can have bite to it. So blending is mandatory. Whats your priors and goals?