I need to bring down test levels for labs ordered by doc .....need advice
Ok, here is my situation. Doc has me on trt and I was cheating on my dose and bumped it up from 100mg to 200mg per week for about three months then bumped it back down to 100mg per week for one month and and went to my doc for bloodwork so I could start my cycle and not have to worry about him asking for any surprise blood work. My script from my doc was at renewal so I knew he would order blood work for me anyway so I just asked him for labs early so I could go ahead and start my blast and cruise.
So I frontload 1000mg of test cyp and i'm on my third week of cyp at 500mg a week and 600mg of mast. My doc calls today about my labs I did before I started this cycle says my total test came back at 868 and free test 201 and says those are high normal and wants to cut my dose back from 100 mg a week! I told him I feel great at the high end of normal and want to stay at 100 mg a week.
He says I have to have blood work again in three months and if it comes back any higher, he WILL cut my dose back. How many more weeks can I continue my cycle before I need to stop everything completely to bring those pre cycle levels down a little to please him? I was thinking keep hitting for 8 more weeks and then going cold turkey the last month. Will this do it? Will one month cold turkey bring me down to below 868 total and 201 free? Hopefully I haven't confused everyone with my explanation. Thanks for any advice
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just wait a week before your blood work
Maybe run test prop along with the mast prop instead of the cyp for a few weeks prior then just go cold turkey for only a week before blood drawn? ED pinning for each of course.
Jim that sounds like a great idea except I don't have test prop.....lol...the mast is prop and i'm pinning it ED. The cyp twice a week.....
I do the same thing just do not inject for 2 weeks and go take your test
you be fine.
one time I injected two sus 250s and took a blood test my results were in a 3000s
my doctor looked at me and said what did you do I said nothing I think I inject two CCs vs 1
sorry and he smiled. Doctors want money they do not care
Calm down big boy
Thanks 300.....my doc is a dick though and will most definitely lower my trt dose if I come in over 868 three months from now. So your saying if I stop my cycle cold turkey for only two weeks and get blood work i'll be under 868 total and 201 free?
BigBmajI want to know as well. Same boat here.
The masteron's ester is prop...so you will have to calculate TC half-life....
Not really an issue tho unless we're talking pct. The mast will shutdown HPTA but he's trt. There is no reset. Only thing detectable in BW will be dht levels. This dumbass doc prolly isn't adding dht to the panel. And if he is, he'd prolly think it was from too much test. Lol.
He's looking at estro, test total and free, gonadal levels, thyroid, and metabolic panel. He's fine with the mast
What about using exemestane to kill out estrogen and decrease SHBG? Not for PCT, but for strict control of estrogen.
Could be feasible, if estrogen was an issue. Proviron would be more plausible with low test and high estro.
On cycle, I'm an aromasin kind of guy. It offers the e2 control needed, in addition to decreases in SHBG. It also forms an irreversible bond with the enzyme, so the bound enzymes functions aren't renewed when the drug wears off. This can cause a rebound in estro at the beginning of pct or afterwards.
Exactly Dossier, that is exactly what he is looking at as I have the results here in front of me! You all know your shit....lol...bro's I hate to stop this cycle even in eight weeks cause it's KICKIN in right now and i'm getting strong! Everything lift is going up and libido is taking off and i'm starting to get much tighter pump from everything!
Just bad timing bro. If he keeps on your ass like this, short ester blasts can be a good option for you. Faster results and quicker clear out, with a shorter run.
Agreed.....
Dossier I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Great info and I will use it against him if he trys to cut my dose but I really need a answer regarding how long I can run my current cycle before stopping to let levels come down so I don't have to deal with my doc at all...lol...so again, here's where i'm at....i'm three weeks in on 500mg per week of test cyp and 600mg per week of mast prop. He is demanding labs in three months from today. So if I run this current cycle for let's say 8 more weeks, that will leave me one month taking nothing at all to get levels down to high normal. Will one month be enough???
You say 600 mg / week of mast prop, I hope you're pinning that at least every other day, better is every day.
You're def gonna feel the crash but if it were me I'd go 4 weeks out. I'd also taper my dose down to make the transition easier. I've never had to do this so I can't tell you from experience bro. Looks like you got someone down the thread trying to tell you his experience tho.
This is what i do and it has worked for over 3 years i cut cold turkey 3 weeks before and take tagament. It has worked well so far and if it comes back alittle higher than he wants say you injected the day before the blood was taken.
Priceless info bro.... +++
Thanks wanted!!!! What does tagament do?
H2 blocker.... Drops the Platelet count and blocks histamine....Pepcid does the same.... This is some priceless info right here, brothers!! : )
Now this is what i'm talkin about here men, helping one another! We're all in this game together and everybody at some point needs the seasoned vets to help out! APPRECIATED!
When it comes down to it, tell him that you will find another doctor if he tries to cut your dose. Those numbers are on the high end of the spectrum for the normal range, but they're not excessive or abnormal.
Bottom line is you feel great and have no negative side effects at that dose. Ask him to explain to you the risks of having your numbers 100-200 pts higher but still within normal range? He'll probably try to feed you some bullshit about gonadal suppression and/or fertility issues. there's hcg for that. Or maybe that estrogen could become a problem. There's arimidex for that, but you're still in normal range so conversion rates shouldn't become excessive. Or maybe he'll hit you from the angle of prostate health due to elevated dht levels. That's when you can ask him why he's not been checking dht levels. only about 5% of total test is subjected to reduction to dht. Since your levels are again in the normal range, that equates to a normal reduction rate. But even still, there's proscar (finasteride) for regulating dht conversion.
Point I'm trying to make is that there are no risks with being on the high side. A good endo knows how to mitigate them if they arise. That's part of bing a hormone replacement specialist vs a more narrow focus like test replacement.
Highly agree on this, which is exactly the way healthcare's focus needs to be...on the patient!!
Exactly. Way I see it: I'm seeing a doc bc low levels are causing health concerns/issues. If he wants to flirt with a low end of the spectrum, there's no need for us to waste each other's time.
Agreed....my fellow EROID brother!
I like the way you think, I feel the same way. I told his nurse when she called me that I did not want him to cut the dose back because I feel incredible! She told him and then called me back the next day and said he said I could stay on 100mg a week for now but after three months if my labs showed any increase at all he would cut back. She said he said that it isn't about just feeling good that high levels caused complications down the road....lol...I have a source so i'm not worried about what he ultimately decides to do it's just that now that I can get my own T, I will stockpile my phizer bottles from him even though they are just 100mg per ml for hard times...lol
I feel ya. From a med standpoint, he's correct tho. If your numbers were to exceed the normal/healthy range, his job is to assess and correct. Best medicine is always prevention. But if he's trying to lower just bc your numbers rose a bit and are still considered healthy, then fuck that.