+ 6 I Love EQ
As many of you know, I'm a big supporter of EQ. Those who say it's worthless just don't know. And don't see the incredible things eq can do. I haven't ran it in over a year now... Into my third week of re-introducing EQ into the blood. And I'm looking phenomenal already. My skin improved the first week.. Everyone says eq takes forever to kick in (~6-8weeks) ..no, eq starts working very quickly, just have to know what to look for. ..I do front load it. First week 2x weekly dose, 2nd week 1.5 weekly dose, 3rd+ standard dosing. Within a week my skin has drastically become more attractive and more toned. Vascularity is improving everyday. Endurance is increasing in the gym. And everything is popping more. Haven't put any weight on, all diet anyways, and haven't seen any strength increases worth noting. This is perhaps why so many don't understand EQ. They expect jumps in weight or the number on the bar. Not what EQ does, ime. I just look polished and every bit of my physique is more aesthetic and attractive. I love this stuff. EQ is awesome!
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I've tried EQ a few times. It obviously worked, but there wasn't anything magical about it. It takes forever to kick in, and the whole thick blood thing has me using something else in my stack. Rather run deca.
It's best for recomp and the increased hunger is a bonus for most. If I had balls I'd do sust and tri bold. What a combo!!!
RustyhookerIve still got sealed bottles of bold ace. Pip so bad...ugh. The gear hit hard, definitely whole new meaning to hunger etc. But knotty pip regardless of how i blended it.
Change your name to Bold hooker
RustyhookerHaha!!
And after posting that reply, the same doofus yolo bro asking yet again about bold ace in forums. Smh
hey rusty, you ever give primo ace a try? was considering trying blasting it (100mg/day) with low test to see what its capable of, out of curiosity mostly. but im thinking primo ace might be another one of those "bad-pip" hormones. and ed pins would suck with a painful med, not to mention if it was too tough to handle... thats a shitload of expensive gear thats just going to sit there lol
RustyhookerNot yet. Every time i think about primo e, i just cant jump on that cost. So hitting primo ace hasnt been yet considered. I should just jump in and buy a bunch.
im tempted to as well. i just cant justify spending all the $$ when thinking the results cant be better than mast, eq, and/or tren can produce at a much more reasonable cost. but then again.... ughhh im torn
RustyhookerSame boat. Tren is strong and not bad on cost. The sides suck but possibly trying something new. Maybe I'll look at 4 or 6 week run. Complex and both feet in it.
Aldo OgibandogiCurrently on trt planning on running eq for my next blast. i'm 42 andThis is my first time running eq I've heard durations of 16-20 weeks at 600-800mg ew. I have 6 vials at 250mg an ml hook me up what should it look like. Do i up the test too or any special AI's?
bro.. if you have questions, start your own thread with your stats, priors, goals, AAS experience etc. based on your karma you probably need another read over the rules. this isnt the best place to answer your questions, your own thread is ;)
Aldo OgibandogiMy bad
I agree with you. When you're in great shape (which one should be when cycking) EQ just makes everything look better. The skin has a tightening effect, muscles consistently pumped and full, and vascularity 24/7. It's a polished look and if one can add and anavar to that then it's call the "Greek god cycle" (test/EQ/var) low dose longer cycle
I have used EQ for many years and it great for hardness & vascularity, its can take some time to kick in generally by about 6 weeks and it sort of sneaks up on you, but I've noticed that I keep most of my gains. EQ is my favorite thing to stack with test. I suggest that anyone taking EQ use it for at least 14 weeks.
I love eq stuff works wonders for me, the tight skin and vascaularity i get off it is incredible. Also a big fan of primo which also gives me similar results just feel more healthy on primo
Every cycle iv ran was with eq. It literally is my favorite aas
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Test/EQ/oral (Tbol or var) is my go-to cycle. If you're already in shape (which you should be to be cycling) it's the perfect cycle. It fills you out, tightens the skin, pumps you up, better recovery, better workouts, strength increase, and overall polished look. Plus at the end in my opinion 85-90% of the gains are permanent with this cycle. If you want to take it up a level a little tren a at the end (never have personally).
I've always had great success with EQ. Incredible strength and hardness and veins like road maps.
I've done a lot of research on eq. I haven't ever ran any but I want to. It seems like a good aas. I will run it in one of my future cycles. Probably run it for 20 weeks as that seems to be when ppl say they get the best results.
EQ is my fav! I don't get why people say it's useless, I guess because it doesn't provide explosive gains like other anabolics, but the gains are nice, and easy to maintain.
You have been posting some very good topics lately bro, it has not gone unnoticed.
thanks darth. i contribute what i can
Lol how did that warrant a neg?
How much EQ are you using per week?
Sorry Ashop. Just saw this. Around 800mg/week
My favorite part of EQ is the ability to maintain most of the gains achieved.
Bro you already know I'm a huge supporter of eq. It's slow but it adds such quality muscle !
moojI added EQ to the very first cycle I did purely because I wanted the appetite increasing effects I read that it had. Around week 5 I noticed by strength was jumping up into my Bench which I always use as a good gauge. It was an awesome memory I have as it was the first time I had ever pressed 130kg *6 reps easy, I had a friend who could do this for 5 reps and he was huge to me at 15 stone and I did this at 11 stone. He cycled Growth & insulin also so I really felt awesome at the time. How little I knew that was just the start of things to come. That aside I loved the amount I could eat, meal sittings were literally double at least of what I could eat previously, sometimes if I missed the onset of the hunger it would get to that beyond stage and make me feel sick lol
But then of course I read the dreaded scare stories about RBC increasing and the fact you should regularly donate blood whilst on it which I hate the thought of doing so I stopped. How true the blood donation factor is to not die from high hemocrit levels I'm not sure?!?
bigmurphKap how much do you run. What's this i hear about crazy anxiety from eq or bold cyp do you get this or is it a person by person side effect. I want to try bold cyp over conventional eq but also over primo. I could save alot of money and get the same goals from what I read. So im curious do you agree with this that eq will give you close to what primo can do especially if I were to run for a long cycle.
Thanks brother
cannot comment on primo, isnt something ive invested in to try myself yet. its very expensive and i would want to try it alone with low test and pharma grade primo only amps so i have a baseline gauge about what it does before i change to "swim made" gear if results warranted using it again.
the anxiety side effect of EQ boils down to high BP and increased rbc afaik. i do believe this to be case specific. i dont naturally have bad anxiety anyways but i do notice i can fall victim to more aggressively anxious thoughts when my bp is raised or have compounds in the blood notorious for raising rbc. not to the point of making them unbearable to run, just notable.
at the moment im running around ~800-850mg/week of EQ. so ~1600mg/week 1, ~1200mg/week 2, 800mg/week3 and continued at 800mg/week thereafter. shot EOD. test is kept at ~290mg/week currently. (1x 250mg test e amp/ every 6 days) might up it to ~430mg ( 1x/ 4days) if need be but i like keeping test low (under 350mg) and running high ananbolics instead like dillet apparently used to do. agrees with my body type better.
Another reason why EQ is number 1 for me is that I suffer from very aggressive male pattern baldness.
I find EQ is the absolute best compound along with Deca for gains without aggravating the problem.
Its another reason I dislike primo. Apart from being a shitty glorified muscle hardner it is worse than winny on the hairline and I speak from personal proof.
EQ though is far preferable to deca altho deca is more powerful as a bulker and more full look
I have been running a lot of primo and it hasn't bothered my hairline at all.
I'm another big EQ Fan.
I agree wholeheartedly with the vast majority of what u say.
Steady, solid, keepable gains.
I'm slightly different to most users in that I run it alone! 1ml (200g) every 10 days usually for 4 months and I agree it does kick in a lot faster than the usual 12 weeks people say online. Id say I notice strength increases by 3 or 4 weeks. The stamina increases are also real in weeks 1-12 for sure
Two things I would say are that the one time I did run a far longer than usual cycle which was 8 months....after 5 months I felt a definite sluggishness and lethargy in my stamina. Bloodwork at the end confirmed it was a elevated RBC.
Id say anxiety on EQ is for real too no where near as bad as deca though. But there nonetheless altho its something I can control quite easily
bigmurphYou run eq alone meaning without test im not about to give you the speech that you have to use test im interested in how do you feel with your test crashed for so long.
Also have you ever gotten blood work done while running just eq if so where were all your levels at.
You say decca causes anxiety also im running npp i stayed away from eq because of the anxiety that I heard about you believe that the anxiety levels are the same.
If so I might take another look at eq instead of primo
On your anxiety point I guess everyone is different. I've been running Bold Cyp at 900mg per week and I have not had any anxiety sides. I never got them on deca/npp or tren either though.
bigmurphI appreciate the information brother and I to like lower test and let my other compounds do there job.
I hope your cycle turns out solid for you. Im sure it will because you know your stuff.
Good gains to you brother
thanks brother! happy gainin ;)
I'm running a Bold Cyp cycle at the moment and know what you mean. I'm on a big bulk though so lots of calories - all clean so far which is good. Some weight gain which is expected but a good look so far. Looking much fuller and well rounded is the best way I can describe it with good vascularity even at the higher BF I'm carrying right now from the bulk. Very mild sure the gains which I am attributing more to the test I'm running. It makes such a pleasant change from running NPP or Tren. It's early days too so I have high hopes for the end result.
yah EQ has such a nice effect, even early on. its subtle, but definitely a noticeable change within weeks after only being on low test beforehand. so dont worry, its working and its effects are showing even with the added test.
and spot on, its hard to describe. but "well rounded, full, and sharp" are really the best way one can attempt to describe its effects ;)
just started to re-introduce igf1-lr3 as well, just yesterday at 60mcg/day. going to run this high EQ/ low test while working the igf1 back in for 4 weeks. then switch peptides to either igf1-des or a cjc-1295 w/ DAC & ghrp or mk0677 combo. to work "gh" into the blood before i add back in the Tren for summer at the beginning of july. (last had tren in leading up to the O last year, had to be looking jacked at the expo lol) ..get down below 8-7% bf (probably around ~10% now :( , too fat for my liking lol) before i drop the tren, blast up the test to around 1g for a short time along with an oral like drol or dbol to add more size while lean.
Interesting that you mentioned he igf1-Ir3. It's something I'm currently really considering adding into this cycle. I'll be interested in hearing a bit more as you've got some real hand experience. I'm a bit confused if it's best to pin the pre or post workout. I know it's meant to be bilateral pins into the muscle that you're working so assuming I was training say legs and was dosing at 50mcg per day that would be 25mcg into each quad? Is that right? Now given it is either pre or post workout will it survive in a syringe for 30 to 90mins or will it denature.
I'm letting my BF creep up on this cycle. I'm about 15% now. I'm 900mg of bold cyp and 600mg of test per week. Will be pulsing some drol 2 weeks on 2 off starting in May until I end in July. Then PCT and recover and then a slow cut until the end of the year ending in an 8 to 12 week cycle and thinking about doing tren again for this but am keen to try 1-test cyp if I can find it. Would like to end at about 215lb and 10%. Seems very doable to me.
the problem with most igf-1 analogues is most people will dilute them in Bacteriostatic water. the problem with this is, according to my research, is igf-1 analogues degrade pretty rapidly in BA, as well as much of the hormone will be lodged in the microscopic ridges on the side of the vial. glass is not smooth, if looked at under a microscope itll look like the rocky mountains. the only thing, afaik, that will pull all the compound into the solution is Acetic Acid. also igf-1 variants can be stored in AA for months at refrigeration temperatures and years if frozen. AA doesnt freeze btw. the lr3 that i choose to get comes per-disolved in AA. not freeze dried like most peptide companies here. why this is better, imo, is that a source purchasing 1g at a time can dilute the entire 1g into AA and divide it more accurately into 1mg vials then a source weighing out 1mg at a time (too small of tolerance to be accurate) PM me for details. ime. this company's lr3 is superior to the others ive tried. its no receptor grade legit kigtropin ect. but i think its better than your run of the mill lr3 from standard pep companies.
but.. injecting a straight AA solution wil sting like a mf, trust me lol... so what i find to be the best protocol. is to dilute and/or store the igf-1 in AA, with as little AA as possible to dilute the solution (i ml AA/ 1mg igf-1) and then draw out desired dose into slin pins and then cut the AA/igf-1 mixture with BA right before injection.
as far as pinning pre vs post workout, i cant say what works best. igf-1lr3 exerts its effects for quite a while so i dont think it matters all too much. ive done post last run, and im trying out preworkout this time around to compare. i will say, because igf-1DES has such a shorter active life i would presume it to be best shot immediately post workout into the desired lagging muscle group that was just worked. (when i say immediately i mean it, pinning in the locker room bathroom 30 sec after last set of the workout)
also, i believe igf-1 varients are best shot IM vs SubQ, i think this matters less with igf-1lr3 because it will go systematic regardless. but DES definately, IM is the way to go. my conclusion has always been though, even if it is lr3, injecting into a "just worked muscle" the igf-1 will come in contact with those receptors first if shot IM. and uptake by a worked muscle, in my mind, would be higher than a non worked muscle.
pins for igf-1lr3 can be bi-lateral (what i choose to do) IM or 1 single shot subq. matters less than DES imo. DES should be IM bi-laterally always imo. dave palumbo has spoken on its effectiveness as low as like 11mcg/day or something like that. and some people have done 1mg/day. i find that between 40mcg-80mcg yeilds me the best returns. 60mcg split bi-laterally works well for me.
whoops just saw i said to cut with BA.. dont do that!!!! lol i meant to say cut with BW (bacteriostatic water) my bad. do NOT inject straight benzyl alcohol.
Hahaha. No worries fella. I know what you meant.
Awesome info. Thanks brother. Will definitely shoot you a PM about the AA prepared IGF you know about. Again hugely appreciate the effort in putting this reply together.
no problem brother