+ 1 -HCG During Cycle-
hey guys, i believe im posting this in the right area. anyways im prepping for my upcoming cycle in a few weeks. running a long lean bulker (18-20 wks)
fist time running a cycle past 12-14 weeks, and i always just blasted HCG the last 4 weeks leading up to PCT. this cycle being so long, i feel as it would be advised to utilize the HCG throughout the cycle, but how would one do this.
based on what i can gather from research-
theory one: run HCG 250-500iu 2x/week all the way through
(contradictions ive read) : using HCG for extended periods of time desensitize the leydigs and is ill-advised
theory two: blast the HCG on and off every 4 weeks (4-8 500iu 2x/wk, 12-14 500iu 2x/week, ect..)
or use HCG as i always have and blast the last 4 weeks before PCT.
(have plenty of hcg to run any one of these protocols)
what do you guys feel is the best approach?
Thanks for the input
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zorro2014I always do 250iu twice per week 500iu
And for my pct 1000iu every day for 10 days
Following the protocol of wating 14 days after you finish your cycle.
Meh tight balls are great...only makes ur dik look bigger
haha yeah but i miss the "swing" while on cycle, no "smack" when fucking your girl :/
Just bust out the razor and keep em nice and smooth. You get a better slapping sound that way.
I don't know about the desensitizing but I do believe in not keeping the balls off for too long. So I think the on and off would be best and maybe even a blast before pct. 250iu 2x week for 4 or 5 weeks on and a couple off and 1000iu a few days before pct.
A lot of people are misinformed on the benifits of hcg thinking it's only for cosmetic benifits on cycle. I thought the same until I spent a lot of time researching about it read alot medical studies instead of listening to the typical bro science. Hcg is essentially a synthetic form of luteinizing hormone. When you're not using steroids and you're hpta is functioning normally the hypothalamus in your brain relases gonadotropin releasing hormone which then signals the anterior portion of your pituitary gland to release luteinizing hormone ( and follicle stimulating hormone) which then travels down to your testes and triggers your leydeg cells go produce and release testosterone.
So when your on cycle this entire system is shutdown. Studies have shown that the issue of recovery is not due to low levels or LH, but due to desensitization of the leydig cells. One study they did they administered exogenous testosterone for 21 weeks and at the end of the 21 week period LH levels were began to rise again 3 weeks after they discontinued the administration of exogenous testosterone but test levels took many many weeks to begin to rise again.
So this issue here is the leydig cells lie dormant for so long while on cycle and the longer they remain in this state the harder the time one will have getting then to respond to LH once the cycle is ended. So like I said hcg is basically a synthetic form of LH, and what does LH do? Tells the leydig cells to produce testostrone. So by using hcg during your cycles you leydig cells will not remain in a dormant state for long periods of time which in turn will not allow this desensitization to occur. By using hcg at 250ius twice a week on cycle your leydig cells are still getting the LH signal they would be if you were not on cycle thus making a full recovery much more likely and also much faster.
From a physiological standpoint your writeup there makes perfect sense. I'm hoping to stumble across some personal anecdotes from people who've started hcg while on cycle or mid TRT who've had some kind of noticeable "effect" whether it be libido, well-being, or anything else worth mentioning other than plump balls. Personally I could care less what size my balls are as long as they're still there, and I also have no intention of ever going below a TRT dose.
I can attest to positive results in libido from hcg. Blasting it the last 4 weeks of the cycle before pct shot my libido up like crazy. Had to unload bout 5x a day lol. And this is at the two week mark after the last test shot so the test levels had dropped considerably by then.
Nice! Gotta get some hcg then! lol
you wont regret it. it wont break the bank, but dont skimp and always go for the legit pharma stuff
Bro, great response man. Thanks for breaking it down for me.
AnonWhat compounds have you run in the past and are you adding any new compounds for your upcoming long bulk cycle?
Also, what dose did you run your 4 week blasts of hcg?
I dont use the stuff but ive been here long enough to read and watch the board go all over the place on advice. beats the crap out of me what you should do, only thing I can say is based on the feedback ive read it seems to always help just about anyway its used.
thanks noid. protocols for HCG use arent as cut and dry as AAS it seems. im just going to use it the way i always have, if it aint broke dont fix it
can anyone comment one why one shouldnt run HCG through the majority of the entire cycle? whats the opposing opinion
Look bro most of the vets explained to me that it's point less to run all cycle cuz ur pretty much turning on and off ur test production by pinning test then hcg so mainly people use towards the end for recovery u can try it and give us feedback on ur experience but I went with Wat the vets said and yea my balls are full size so it worked just great also my recovery has been awesome no emotional episodes or bad side effects but to each their own
fersure, thats what ive done in the past so why fix whats not broken right. figured id ask just to be safe. how many weeks out from pct do you usually start it? i usually do 4 weeks (two weeks still on test, and during the two weeks while esters clear before pct)
Well I began using when I started noticing atrophy so around week 10 and I used it all the way up to pct so total 8 weeks and like I said I'm experiencing a good recovery nothing to bad my workouts are still solid and I'm still fucking on the daily lol yea u also don't want to blast at the end cuz it will spike ur estrogen so 250iu x2 works great
well i run aromasin for my AI and run it all the way through pct, so estrogen and aromatization wouldnt be the issue as much as desensitizing the leydigs.
I'm in pct also did 16 weeks started week 8 all the way through and my guys are full as ever so yea very effective I'm guna use it in every cycle from this point forward and I used 250iu 2 x a week I began use when I noticed atrophy
In my current cycle I'm using HCG for the first time and for keeping the chaps nice and plump I'm happy, or should I say mrs is!
It's a 16 week total cycle and I started HCG at 250iu E3D's on week 5. Haven't hit PCT so cannot comment on its effectiveness in that area.
I will say most the information I read leaned towards blasting it 10/14 days away from PCT at 250/500iu's ED to give you a running start on PCT.
I may try that next cycle as it's a shorter one.
How's your mood and libido with the hcg thrown in? Just curious.
There have been times I've acted like a little bitch, I imagine that's more to do with heaps of test I'm running then the HCG. Played around with AI and it's mostly under control. Sex is at an all time high. I'll be using it again.
yah, thats what ive always done. worked well. recovered fine. just pondering another approach because im doing a long run you know
You should use HCG when you feel atrophy
5000iu/4week (275iu 3x/week) can restore responsiveness
it will be better to use HCG throughout when the cycle uses only non aromatizable to maintain adequate levels of estradiol
never use on postcycle
i dont think using it when one "feels" atrophy is the solidest of approaches. ..as far as using it throughout cycle as you say, can you elaborate? i already posted two different theories about using it during a cycle. your comment just regurgitated what i already essentially stated in the OP with less detail and you havent provided any reasoning behind your approach