posted Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:23
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High BA content or EO causing extreme pip?
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Trying to pin point whether the extreme pip I have is from a high BA content or from EO oil, if its from the EO oil then I cant use the gear at all, if its from the high BA content I could cut it with GSO, I already ordered new gear that doesnt contain any EO oil, but if thats not my prob and its the BA then ill still have to cut it if it hurts?
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Thin it out with some form of carrier oil if the PIP is that bad.
If you ever find the true answer let me know because I can't figure it out. I've got a nice collection of oils collecting dust because I simply can't use it. A lil PIP from time to time is normal. But what I get is just brutal. Normally starts apprx. 24hrs after pinning sometimes followed by flu like symptoms. Hard knot, swollen around injection site. Lasts for 2-3 days. No gym.
It could be from a number of things but maybe not the BA(Benzyl Alcohol). 1-2% is the norm but some UGLs use 3%. I used to blame it on the EO. But I've got some gear with 10% EO in GSO. Love it. No Probs. My prescribed gear uses Sesame or CSO. No Probs. Now the gear using Safflower, lots of problems. When doing production (500ml batches) I assume the thinner oil is preferred because of easier filtering. I'm guessing the Safflower oil (thinner oil) requires some solvents (Ethyl Oleate, Guaicol, Benzyl Benzoate) to keep the hormone in suspension. So it could be the amount of each of these solvents used and not the EO alone since 10% EO is tolerable for me. Another example is a vial of high Mg gear with no EO that I have. The high Mg probably required a higher amount of BB to hold. 1/4CC had me in the fetal position crying for my momma. I think basically the hormone falls out depot or suspension and recrystalizes within the muscle fibers causing some issues with some gear. The higher amount of solvents used may be another issue or maybe both combined. Lastly, could be the actual powder used. Something about "carbolic acid". Maybe a byproduct during synthesis. Shit I dunno. This is just my .02. I don't "brew" I'm not an expert. I know Fuck All. Let me know if you get it figured out.
It's gotta be the eo cause I'm pretty sure the other gear I ran has no eo in it and I was fine, and I think eo is a carrier not a solvent
GSO, CSO, SO would be the carrier oil. EO helps stabilize the hormone and keeps it from crashing. It's supposed to help for injection pain by keeping the hormone stable and slowing the release of the hormone. What I've noticed is that compounds using EO inject very smooth, very painless. For me anyway. It's the 24hrs later that kills me. A good source I used from way back was using 20-30% EO in some gear (what i was told anyway). Crippling. But I think it might have been both the EO and BB. (the amount of each used)
Centrino labs prop is so fucking thick and it's caused the worst pain ever... I'm curious to how much eo was used in the vial with safflower oil? Cause maybe it was more than 10% eo and eo is really the problem. I need to find out about kalpa and Balkan amps cause they were absolutely fine
kalpa uses mtc carrier oil No Eo....Not sure about balkan but I do no MTC is huge in overseas labs....safflower oil they throw in 3% EO from the brand I use I dont no if thats common practice but not much pip (NPP)
Ya kalpa was smooth as shit I love it
The gear I'm using claims to be only 2% ba, so that's standard it's gotta be the EO, the gear on it's way is 100% eo free, and it's funny cause unless you've had this type of reaction ppl don't know how bad it is they chalk it up as pip which is a walk in the park compared to this lol
First cycle ever I did my injection in my right shoulder. Then my right ass. After some time they got more and more and more painful. To the poi t I couldn't move my arm past my waist or move my leg wothout crippling pain. I believe it to be too high alcohol in it possibly burning the muscle. I mixed the test e with some cyp and the pain was less. Like normal pip. Tryed the e by itself again in my right quad and after sometime I couldn't bend my knee a single inch or put any pressure on that leg. It always seems to take 24 hours to start to hurt then 48 even worse and so on. Until about a week goes by and I can use that muscle again. I have not gone back to that lab since bc I cant train on it so what's the point
It's PIP on steroids! Brutal!
I have terrible test flus, both quads and glutes are completely fucked AND I had a small flare up of pre existing gyno so I popped letro for a couple days and my joints are crackling so bad and mood is shot, I'm a mess right now
It is so fucked, prob the worst I've ever felt in my life, I switched to ed injections at .8 mls and it's still unbearable, and with that I have pinned both quads and both glutes so I literatly hobble. Can u see how much eo is in the gear with safflower that caused u pip?
Picked up a different brand with EO to test out. No reaction at all after two pins on Friday and Saturday (Glute and Delt). It sounds like we get the same reaction from something. Feel free to FR/PM if you want some info.
Which vial? There's Soooo many. Like I said, the 10% , AOK. The other assortment isn't stated and I assume if it did it probably wouldn't be accurate. But I'd say over 20%. But remember more BB could have been added also at the end also. The GSO/SO blend has no EO. High Mg. Only 1/4ml injection just killed me. Same reaction as the other vials with EO. Higher BB with the Higher Powder dose?
I'm just wondering if the safflower gear contained more than 10% eo which caused the bad pain, we'll hoping cause I just ordered gear made with safflower but it contains no eo so I hope I'm fine cause the gear I have no states 2% ba and even .8 ml cripples me making me believe eo is at least my problem
Yes, the safflower gear that was a pain in my ass was over 10% EO which make me wonder....can I be allergic to 20%EO and not 10%EO. I over think things sometimes but when I'm trying to find a certain "product" it's difficult to know if I'm going to be able to actually use it or not since EO, Safflower Oil and other solvents are used quite often. Anyway, don't try different pinning techniques. Just stop using what you have now and try a different product which you said you're doing. Ibuprofen helps me in this type of situation also.
Brutha we share the same brain. I've tried to figure it out. Mainly stuck with "normal" dosed gear to stay clear of the possible wrath of the EO. I think a batch starts out with a fixed amount or % of Oil/Powder/BB/BA and possible solvents.....but I assume shit starts bubbling and brewing and the end product might have way more solvents than the brewer anticipated. Basically trying to keep it from crashing. So the amount of EO could be higher than the original "recipe". I feel ya about the EO. But the low amount EO with GSO gear I have has me thinking it's a combo of things.
75% of the time pip is caused by poor injection technique a slight shake in the hands will leave you hobbling....Injecting 1 ml in 10-15 seconds could cause pain....Now Eo in some individuals myself included cause pain....I was doing 2ml eod with prop that had EO it would cripple me some days....But when I slowed the injections down to 30 seconds per ml and switched to ED injections at 1ml ED it really helped....Your body does get used 2 it in my experience with EO I couldn't tell you on the solvents but EO does take some getting used 2.....my advice go ed injections if its prop or if its long esters your pinning 2x a week switch it to 3 x a week to minimize pain
Most gear uses 2% BA, doing anymore is stupid unless doing superhigh doses (400mg test e)
EO gives me pip, I can't use it at all (last I checked anyway) so you just need to find a source that doesn't use EO
some cases if your sensitive to it yes... it can cause severe pip. you can try cutting it with GSO or just buy lower dosed gear stay away from the high MG stuff if your one that's sensitive to it.. if not man up its part of the game lol
Sensitive to what? And this isn't normal pip brother it's almost crippling I can't bend my legs, woke up last night and couldn't aleep
High BA OR EO.. What is the dosage of the gear your having trouble with bro
It's 100 mgs per ml of prop, also 300 mgs per ml of same labs test e did it just as bad, along with the worst being centrino labs prop 100 mgs/ml
That's odd by the way U was talking I would have guessed it was a high dosage like test 500 or somthing close.. Sorry for not asking that.. Was that the only brand gear your having trouble with?
No centrino labs and another source on here, so maybe it truly is the eo?
A lot of guys are sensitive to EO. Your not alone there try the new gear see if it's a difference and you will have your answer but what you described is sever pip
What are the symptoms of high ba content vs eo allergies?
It's almost the same Imo bro
I use tne with high e.o and it fcked me up bad on quad and delt shots..can only pin glutes without crippling pip..literally called off work cause I could hardly walk.
im trying to figure it out, kalpa was smooth and contained no EO, the source I am using no has EO, but the tne I used from him didnt hurt as far as I can remember, also the pip starts a day or two later and is excruciating, I think from my reading if it was a high ba content then it would be hurting within the first 24, so I think its the EO which is good cause I just ordered EO free gear
Ya I pinned quad as soon as I got it and within two days I was hurting so fckn bad and it didn't go away for atleast a week..was the most painful shot ever. But no problems in the glutes. I'm lucky tho cause I pinned both high b.a and e.o and haven't had to many issues with it except that one time.