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Havoc to kick start test cycle?

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I have a bottle of havoc laying around and this is my 2nd cycle of test. I know test takes a little while to kick in was wondering if i could take havoc 30-40 mg daily from weeks 1-4 and test e weeks 1-12 I'm debating between 400 and 800 mg a week. I'll be running an A.I. throughout cycle and have clomid and nolva on hand for pct. Thanks guys.

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just had milk thistle i wont do sd again i was on it like almost i week i think

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i quit taking the sd was giving me liver pains.

Makwa's picture

What were you using for liver support? Did you use TUDCA/UDCA or just milk thistle?

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so how long did it take for sd to kick in for you guys? ive heard 9-10 days.

Makwa's picture

6-7 days for me. You should be "feeling" it within the first week

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Thanks guys taking 20mg superdrol weeks 1-4 test e 400mg week WK 1-12 with extremestane have nizororal eod rogain daily taking milk thistle now getting some tudca today started test Sunday and started SD yesterday. Got Nola and col mid for pct anything I'm missing?

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500mgs a week would be a good spot for the Test e bro. dont need too high as 800 just yet. you can use the havoc, i also recommend the tudca/udca for liver support. dbol or tbol are some great options. one just having more water retention than the other.

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Thanks 4 The advice guys. Great forum! I'm going to run superdrol 20mg daily for 3 to 4 week with milk thistle and my ai with 400mg test weekly for 12weeks then Nolva and clomid 4 pct.

Makwa's picture

SD is super toxic. I would highly recommend taking TUDCA/UDCA for liver support and preload it before starting cycle. Your liver will thank you. Milk thistle alone will not cut it when using a ProHormone like SD that is extremely toxic.

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Your making me scared on pre loading with SD. Suggestion on kick start supplement? An oral one.

Makwa's picture

I think SD would be a fine kickstart. You will see results in the first week and they tend to be dry. Prepare for it properly by taking appropriate liver support and you should be fine. Another option would be Ultradrol. I got the same results from it but didn't have the lathargic feeling I had with SD. You still need proper liver support with UD because it is toxic also.

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Just trying to run whatI all ready have on hand I have SD and havoc.

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I have milk thistle on hand should I take NAC too? I was only gonna do 20mg daily for 3-4 weeks I know its hardcore. I'm talking rogain and nizoral eod . How's SD on the hair heard its bad. Should I throw insome finastride?

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Oh and the test I have is 400mg/ml

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Wnat about superdrol. 2 Kick start?

thekaz's picture

I like epi as a finisher

Rasputin_Omega's picture

I just ran an epistane cycle (prior to deciding to move on to AAS) and I ran it at about 50mg daily for four weeks. That stuff needs to build in your system and for me it didn't really kick in until the last week or two. If you're looking for a kick start, you will probably be disappointed. Plus if made me lethargic as hell which I despised because I'm very type A by nature.

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