posted Thu, 04/11/2013 - 19:14
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Halodrol/Prohormones, thoughts on it?
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I've been lifting for about 2 years now.
I must say I know more than I did when I started, and know I'm
still pretty new, and have a lot more to learn down the road.
I was thinking about jumping on a PH cycle of Halodrol.
Suppose to be a mild compound, and fairly use for a first time
cycle user.
I just want on some thoughts on what you guys would think about halodrol.
thanks.
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YOUR IN THE RIGHT PLACE! Learn bout diet and nutrition and all about lifting and even AAS!
But don't do any PH !
Wait till your older 25+ and at your genetic limit and then maybe look into something !
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Waiting makes it so much better in the end!
To answer some questions about cycles and balding; well testosterone metabolizes to about 20%pure dht and that direct infulence hair loss so YES any AAS CAN cause mpb!
For you and the male pattern baldness issue later in life; when your older never use proviron or Masteron or anadrol / dht drugs ! The good news is there isn't any protocol that HAS to use proviron; it's a luxury really!
You can replace Masteron with other anabolics that don't effect mpb like primo or stanzanol but this is all things you can learn, stay natty till your older and ready!
Stay natural till your limit and your older too!
See I said it a bunch bc it's important ^hold off on any AAS
GATORGEAR
Wardi77Pro-hormones, are not steroids, they are however in many cases steroid derivatives. Pro-hormones are a “supplement” at best, but even so, they are not a supplement worth taking…the risk factor far out weighs the positive aspects. Many people prefer to opt for these items because first off, many of these pro-hormones were legal at one time and some still are. But one should be very careful in basing the safety aspect of these things based on legality. The legality of something does not always mean an item is safe or otherwise. Take for instance “real” testosterone, many will argue with sound proof that this is a safe thing to use, although it is illegal without a prescription. However, take something such as cigarettes, no sane individual would claim these are safe at any level, yet they remain perfectly legal….see my point. So how are pro-hormones often sold legally, even if it is only a short lived time? Like said, these items are often derivatives of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids. The only difference is that their chemical structure has been slightly altered to make them legal. It may in fact be a very slight alteration, usually is, but it is this very change that makes them dangerous. Many of them are very similar to Methandrostenolone, AKA dbol, but there is a right way to make dbol and there's a wrong way. With these chemical alterations, more often then not, the toxicity level goes up 10 fold. Like with any oral steroid, (real ones) such as dbol, oral winny, anavar, halotestin, etc. there is a level of toxicity involved in taking these items…particularly in regards to the liver…the drug used however often determines this level. In the case of pro-hormones, again because of the chemical alterations made to these drugs in order for them to be sold at your local GNC, the toxicity goes up tremendously. Many people who use these items for a period report severe increases in their liver enzymes, as well as other side effects such as rashes, high blood pressure, headaches and distorted levels of their own natural testosterone production. Even with the aid or “legal” Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) Meds, the effects are often very hard to deal with. Why? Because 1st off the toxicity is so high. 2nd, these legal PCT products are not strong enough to combat these effects. After time has passed, these side effects will in most cases diminish, assuming pro-hormone use is discontinued, but not without the fact that one has caused a large amount of unreasonable stress to their body.If you are considering pro-hormone use, you should really take time to weigh these risk adequately. Many would argue, myself included, that if you’re willing to use pro-hormones, you should be willing to use “real” AAS. Although real AAS is not legal without a prescription, the risks of negative side effects from them are still far less then with the use of pro-hormones. This is not said to encourage anyone to use AAS, that’s a choice that has to be made by each individual on his or her own. But one should always weigh the items they are thinking about using and determine what is right for them based on sound research and their own educational study. No one should ever simply take someone’s word on various supplements, be it AAS, pro-hormones or anything else you can think of…hey, you shouldn’t even take my word on these pro-hormones as the absolute truth. But the info provided above should be something that causes you to delve into your own research and study of these items to find out for yourself.
do not do prohormones!!! wait and just run test, your body/future and blood work will thank you for it, ph's are toxic, they do all types of weird things to your system my dr didnt know what the hell was going on with me after superdrol,blood pressue, cholesterol, liver, kidneys endocrine, cardio etc it took 5 months for all my levels to get back to within normal range, and thats with supplements, i can recover back to normal within 5 weeks after test cycles, prohormones were the biggest mistake of my weight lifting career such a waste.
fuark0Thanks you guys! I will take it into consideration and stick to my training and diet for
a couple of more years til I'm ready I guess, and learn more.
The reason I thought about halodrol is its suppose to be a "clone" of turinabol.
I know its still oral(and its harsh on your liver), and the reason is that it doesn't convert to DHT,
If I'm wrong, do feel to correct me. I am very prone to Male Pattern Baldness, even when I started lifting
I can tell my hair is thinning faster(I started using hair topical products to slow it down already).
Is this a bad sign if I want to do a cycle in the near future,
that any AAS will effect my hair loss faster? I know DHT affects my MBP, is there ways around it?
Yes there are certain AAS that will cause MBP more than others. Anything with DHT will. Test will. There are compounds to take around it, and some homeopathic stuff too. Its all on the forums here, just gotta look.
fuark0thanks!
These dudes are right brother. You're best bet would be to dial in your diet. Food is truly the most anabolic substance, with the least amount of sides. If you were to hop on any cycle right now you would look and feel great up til pct. If you can't eat enough now to gain, you will definitely lose all of your gains from a cycle.
I know a lot of new guys don't like needles or don't want to go the "illegal" route. It also may feel like some guys are trying to shove needles down your throat, but there's a reason for it. First off a testosterone base will help negate some of the nasty sides you get on oral cycles. Second, when you run an oral, if you don't have a test base, you'll lose gains very fast. The testosterone is typically run 6-10 weeks longer than an oral. So you have a chance to solidify and keep most of the dramatic gains an oral will give you. Also, when you do some more research you'll probably find that halodrol isn't the most effective compound. I see it more as training wheels on a bike, it'll let you get the whole cycle routine down, but eventually you'll know what you're doing and you'll wanna move up to a big boy bike. Good luck to you brother, just remember to eat lots, lift heavy, and research research research.
fuark0Thanks!
I lifted for 4 years before I thought about a cycle suppose I was only 16 when started lifting, I took a pro hormone first time round was the biggest mistake I ever made, I used tren bomb it is banned now but was quite a strong compound, I ended up getting gyno aswell from it now I'm stuck with two lumps in my chest as a reminder of how stupid I was.
dude your only 140lbs you just need to increase your calories. Do more research on diet that will help your increase your muscle mass, remember good nutrition builds muscle not hormones.
fuark0Thanks!
Honestly bro your to young wait a few more years and then give aas a shot. Oh and by the way an oral only cycle is bad news and prohormones are terrible for your liver do a little reading and you would have already known this, that just goes to show you your not ready for this game "yet" wait a little while and while you do studdy aas and find our how to use them properly. Fr me if you ever need any help but I can honestly tell you now no one is going to answer this question any differently the
n I have.
fuark0Thanks!