posted Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:40
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Little help here as this is a worrying time in my AAS lifeline,i never have had any serious symptoms of gyno,ever...
But now I've sore,tender little lump's not around the nipple but on my bottom peck.Due to circumstance's per say...i will not have any anti-e's for at least a week.Fuck man i'll never take nap's with test agian.i think i's gyno but like i said i would'nt know,any help or quick fixes til then would be appreciated
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Mad MattRun nolva at 40mgs ed until symptoms disappear then drop the dose to 20mgs for a further two weeks then 10mgs right through pct....
Nolva starves the breast tissue of estrogen making it b far the most effective remedy for gyno treatment but like all treatment you need to be taking the nolva long after the gyno has disappear...
I deal with dozens of people daily who suffer with such erse's as gyno and trust me, nolva is by far the best treatment, and this includes prolactin induced gyno, those that say other wise are parrots.....
nolvadex is not the best for gyno treatment bro, that would be letro. letro eliminates up to 98% of estrogen, if there is no estrogen, then how can there be estrogen gyno? letro can actually reduce old gyno from previous cycles, and can rid your body completely of gyno lumps. i think that running an AI while on cycle is by far better for gyno prevention than nolvadex, although nolva can help reduce and eliminate gyno that is new, it is not superior to an AI to prevent it in the first place. nolva is a serm which im sure you know, and as you say it binds to the tissue in a "selective" way, nolva reduces the gyno for competing for the breast tissue over the estrogen, but nolva isnt exactly an anti-e. and estradiol can actually increase with nolvadex use. but that can be a good thing because some estrogen is needed for healthy body and muscle growth. as i say below id like to see where you have seen that nolva can reduce prolactin induced gyno, nolva can actually make prolactin gyno worse.
Hey bro, do you use nolva in your cycle or in your pct? If you do then how and when? I'm only asking because I trust your methods and I'm interested in how you go about it.
i only use nolva during pct at 60mg the 1st day, 40mgs pd days 2-11, 20mgs per day for days 12-21. i use a AI while on cycle, so i dont ever have the need to use nolva for gyno related issues. i use an ai for many reasons, one being the anti-e properties, low water weight while taking my ai, etc. when i use nolva depends on the ester of the steroids im taking, for say test e, 3 weeks after last injec. but yes i always use nolva and clomid for pct. i do heavy cycles, so my cycles usually consist of the steroids, AI's, HCG.
Ok cool, thank you for explaining that so well. I guess the confusion for me is comming from steroids.com and their explaination of how to do different cycles lol.. they are way differant than what you guys say. Of couse I believe what you all say way more than I do them. One thing they say to do is to use nolva while on cycle and clomid for pct.. It's weird, you should take a peek. here is the url http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php
o yea ive heard about all the steroid.com, steroidology.com shit. most of there shit is biased and a little different than the norm. im pretty sure that they also have sposors from fake sources on the net, and of course eroids will rip them a new one. i have alwaysed used both nolva and clomid for pct, some people just use nolva, some just use clomid, but ive mainly heard of people using just nolva, not just clomid, but the 2 together will do the trick. some of those sites give advice on some crazy ass cycles and off the wall stacks. now dont get me wrong, nolva is good to use on cycle if you cant get your hands on an AI, but AI's are far superior to nolva for protection.
good advice, based off the research I have done on nolva this seems rite.. Now that don't mean that poeple like juicin14 are wrong.. I value their opinions very much.. I just think the power of nolva is a little under estimated is all.
o yea man, i no its no disrespect. but ive never had any good results with nolva, not saying that others wont. nolva can work wonders for others, it may just have been my nolva, im starting to think it was fake, but i have pharma grade now so we will see. he is right(above) nolva does do this within the breast tissue, and yes run the way that he has stated above, try it first. ive never heard that nolva can help with prolactin induced gyno, im intersted where you got this from, not saying your wrong, i just want to read up on it, im sure that nolvadex actually can make prolactin gyno WORSE!!!!. i know it can help prevent the prolactin or progesteron related gyno becasue estrogen has to be high inorder for it to happen, which if you take the nolva your estrogen wont be high, and it can prevent gyno, or get rid of it if your starting to see signs.
Mad MattYes by no means was i being disrespectful mate..
Nolva making prolactin gyno worse is a myth. Many years ago there were studies on women with breast cancer and it was noted that nolva made prolactin levels in these areas and women worse. From this we decided that the same would apply to us and the myth was born, but healthy subjects with healthy breast tissue react differently....
I have some interesting links for you to read mate, i will dig them up tomorrow and pm them to you.....
As you point out, if one keeps estrogen in check from the offset then prol/prog issues shouldn't be an issue. But also keep in mind that nolva doesn't reduce estrogen it just stops it from binding with breast tissue...
"But also keep in mind that nolva doesn't reduce estrogen it just stops it from binding with breast tissue..." yea thats what i was saying m8, nolva isnt a anti-e at all.
but awesome, im ready to read the links, ive always heard and seen that nolva can cause prolactin to increase. im ready to read 'em, im sure itll be a good read. ill be looking out for the links bro
dostinex for prolactin gyno, prolaction is causeed by high levels of estrogen for a long ish period of time, but letro for severe or old gyno. i had gyno from previous cycles and the gyno was atleast months old, letro has cleared it up, almost completely. i have no pain, just a little lump but its going away as we speak.
btw guys, nolva wont do shit for old gyno, it can only help to prevent gyno once you start to feel it coming, it will help a little but it can only do so much. letro is needed to get rid of it, it can eliminate up to 98% of estrogen. but becareful we all need some estrogen to be healthy and for muscle growth. it will make u feel bad if you have no estrogen.
Thumbs up for this info bud,so what exactly should i be looking for the letro or the dostinex.This is new gyno and i only noticed it a couple of days back
well since its only a few days old and maybe only minor gyno, i have heard some people using nolvadex to clear it up, but for me and others its never worked, you could be one of those that it works on. but if it doesnt or if you want to be sure to get rid of it now, then use either aromasin or letro- which is the stronger of the 2, or adex, but i just dont like adex. this doesnt sound at all like progesteron related gyno so you should be good on not needing dostinex. nolvadex can help if its only a few days old or in your case maybe 2 weeks old. so id go with letro or nolvadex depending on the severity, but it sounds as if yours is minor and small case, try nolva first, you dont want to have to take letro unless you have too, its very strong shit. but its always a good idea to have a AI on hand b4 starting ur cycle, adex or aromasin, aromasin for me of course, and u can have letro also if shit hits the fan, but you shouldnt ever need letro if you always use an AI.
Chhers bud i'm glad you said that,I've been looking for letro and can't seem to find it.I'll get some nolva asap
just go to alldaychemist. ive used them, their shit is g2g, shipping takes around 9 days to east coast.
Besides Nolva also add some Caber (Cabergoline) to help with your high prolactin levels.
Good luck man.
if you can get novatest xl which you can get from vitamin world it acts like an atd. it should stop it i've used it several time with alot of susses
Thanks i'll check (im uk)
AnonAlldaychemist delivers fast in the uk. Get some aromasin and nolva asap or letro if it is too bad.
I'll take a look,do you think they would develop into bitch tits in a week.Never stacking nap's and test agian bud,fuck that...or go with no pct
AnonThe point is to halt it, getting the letro in a week means a further 3 weeks progress for the gyno which is better than not getting it at all. Letro takes a while to fully kick in and a hell a lot longer to reverse. Problem with gyno is you can flare in a day or two but for reversing you are looking at months. Whatever you do get an AI asap. If you are not lactating you dont need caber your gyno is estrogen related.
Good luck with it and hope you caught it early.
dude I'm new and even I know this is gyno.. GET NOLVADEX FAST BRO.
In fact if it were me I would go to the doc and tell him your on gear and need nolva.. whats the worst that could happen
Oohh man i know,maybe i should it is legal here but don't think my doc would be to happy.Thing is i've used juice on and off for years,and not once have i used anti-e's.Not been common practice among me or friends,and i've never had a problem.But i've never actually stacked nap's with test until now,and this is my 1st problem with it.i will get anti-e's but i need a doctor,nap's don't work,or aromatize the same as other roids.so i'm not sure anti-e's will work with them.man i should've listened to my more experienced friend man...NEVER RUN NAP'S ALONGSIDE TEST
Yea bro, going to the doc is way better than bitch tits imo..
Yeah your right bud,think i'll do my chest ED or EOD (surely helps) until i get something sorted and discontinue the naps til i start another cycle.Good pre cycle but man i'll never take while on test again...ohhh +1 for the wake up call there,docs it is
thanks bro, I wish I had more advice to give lol but I'm new..
Nah your ok,i should'nt be so naive at times lol...sore little lumps in my chest are only 1 thing,just hope i dont develop breast in under a week.just gonna have to smash the chest