First Test E Cycle: How to keep gains?
Hey,
I've put together my first cycle which is pretty gentle & hopefully 500mg p/w is enough to give me some impressive gains.
I just want to check i'm doing all that I can to keep it as much of the gains i can when i go back to gym only for the rest of the year.
I plan to do 1 cycle a year with a 'get in, get BIG and get out mentality to my cycles'
Stats:
28 years old, 80kg, 180cm, 3 gym sessions a week (1 hour each) and all resistance, heavy compound moves.
I try put away 4,000 calories a day of cashews, shakes and meals based around chicken and beef.
Cycle:
Testosterone Enanthate:
500mg weekly (250mg monday & web) for 10 weeks
2 weeks BREAK
3 weeks of PCT:
Day 1 Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
** Adex to hand for any Gyno symptoms
Provided the stuff i get is all legit this will bulk me up right and the PCT will keep it on?
Thanks for any comments.
Chris
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Anonall I can say is wow... a simple test e cycle with proper pct ... I must be dreaming, right? Tread has hit this one right on. The kitchen is going to dictate quite a bit of what you will keep. Additionally really consider how you train and how much as rest is also a key factor in growth. It just happens to be something quite a few of us forget about ;-)
tread-mPct sets up a scenario where your gains are not robbed but the real work is in the kitchen. You are wanting your body to do something it does not want to do or it would have already done it. So to think you can have your one cycle a year and somehow you can change your genetics is not really the direction of thinking you want to rely on. In a nut shell, to be different you have to be different..lol. you can't expect what you cannot get without gear to come and then stick around for a year witbhout gear unless you change the things that were going on pre-gear. If gear allows you to put on 15 lbs and the gear is gone in 12 weeks then diet and training have to change or at least stay the way they are on gear. Post cycle is a good time for a few weeks to go heavy on weight with less reps and shorter workouts which can convince the brain you need the extra muscle. You then have to give it the ability to keep it. So if you were eating 4000 calories pre-gear and post-gear you are eating 4000 calories in the same way then you are asking the body to keep pains in an identical scenario in which it did not want the gains before. Post cycle you try to up your game, dial in the quality the way you do on cycle and pound the caloric intake lifting heavy in the same way you would on cycle. Create a new environment to satisfy the new you. As well, the higher quality the on cycle gains are, the more likely it will be that you can keep some of them. Once cycle a year will help but to think it will allow gains year after year being the same old you will not work. I'm not saying that was your plan but putting it out there so I know you realize this is all about change, if you want change and I'm assuming you do. One cycle a year without serious change can just kinda put you on a roller coaster where you always end up right back where you started without the change...best of luck
great reply. Tread, when you refer to post-cycle, are you thinking DURING PCT? OR after?
I've heard conflicting advice regarding how heavy you should lift during PCT... thanks
jon
AnonDon't gain allot of water and fat while you are ON and back off on your training as the drugs leave your system and PCT. That is about all you can do.
Burning muscle as fuel as your body is shut down the drugs leaves is where I used to really fuck up.
JtizzleI like gothic's post..
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/ive-just-finished...
Jtizzlelike the name btw lol
haha thanks.. so basically eat the rest after my PCT for 2 weeks...
also a few places talk about taking Clomid DURING my cycle to ease the shutdown of my own testosterone productions.
Any thoughts?
Many years back I experimented with running Clomid EOD during cycle because I had heard of this from some guys and I was still trying to avoid frequent injections (adding 2 more per week with the HCG). For me it didn't work and I actually got an emotional roller-coaster type effect, varying between godlike and fetal position depression. Twice a week HCG at 250iu's is what I run now and the feeling and effect is far more stable for me. I still run Clomid but only as PCT after the HCG.
Jtizzlemost would run HCG to prevent nuts from shuttin down 100%.. not many recommend clomid on cycle. Nolva yes , if sides arise but you said u have an AI for that..
can i live without HCG as i dont really want to add another injection to my cycle?
Eric090585HCG is only a SubQ injection though..just under the skin with an insulin needle..you can barely feel it at all. just take 250iu's of hcg twice a week
Jtizzlelive without it , of course. I can also live without vagina in my life but it sure makes life a lil better.. lol
Eric090585YES!