posted Tue, 11/01/2011 - 08:08
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First Cycle advice.
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Been working out at the gym for about 3 years and think I'm ready for my first cycle.
I'd like to keep it as simple as possible.
I'm 28, 80kg, eat 3k calories a day and work out 3 times a week (1 hour each).
I'm thinking Sustanon 250 is probably the best way to go as it seems to be a good 'all-rounder'.
Deca durabolan - 200mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent.
Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 10-14 days afterwards.
The Sustanon & Deca is split down into 2 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of Deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe.
Does 8 weeks sound like a long enough cycle?
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stick to test for your 1st cycle , save the deca for when you are more experience as recovery tends to be longer than usual..clomid is fine for pct , bump those calories up to 4k or more
dont go overboard with so many compunds stick to test for 10 wks , clomid is fine for pct
hold the deca for next cycle maybe .. and dont use nolva with deca as is not advisable research , progesterone , prolactin... oh bump those calories up to 4k or more
AnonIf this is your first cycle then stick with the sust only.. why rush things, you have the rest of your life to try out different stacks. Not only that but should you start two compounds at the same time you will not know what to attribute to the compounds. For example, strength gains.. hmm which one worked really good for me and which one didn't or did they both? Uh oh.. negative side effects.. which compound is the culprit? Additionally, the deca is typically injected once a week, it is a long acting esther and you'll be wasting your money. The reality is that you should probably start with a simple Test E or Test P cycle.. again, this is so you know how your body will react to the compound. In my estimation sust, while many people are fans, is something that I liken to a jack of all trades but master of none.
Im just into my fourth week on Test E (first cycle also) and im starting to feel and see the transformation. Its nice and subtle for me just the way I wanted it to be.
Definatley start with the Test E first 'dingaling'. Dont jump into it.
Its took me 10yrs of training and research along the way before my first cycle.
The test will star to kick in around week 3 - 4 so dont expect miracles a week after your first pin. Eat clean train hard and keep researching dude ;-)
Ok so my revised shopping list is:
Testosterone enanthate 250 to last me 12 weeks @ 500mg a week in two injections
clomid for last3 weeks which is the PCT
Anything else I'm missing to make this the perfect first cycle?
I want to do this the slow, safe and right way!
tread-mAdex and condoms
tread-mNo brother you need a simple test, enantbhate or cyp first run. Sustanon stacks strange and is a quick build with higher sides IMO . Drop the deca and do it right. Simple test run 500 split for 10 weeks, adex on hand , pct and take your down time and come back and talk about a stacker. Slow down and do it right.
No 8 weeks is not long enough for that cycle, but besides that you should not run this cycle. A standard 1st cycle looks something like this:
1-12 Test E 500mg per week (split into 2 inj)
14-16 clomid 50/50/50/50
*and keep and AI such arimidex on hand in case of any sides, if you do experience side start the dose at .50mg.
This cycle is simple but effective bro, try it... Most importantly you will know how your body reacts to the test, and you can cycle accordingly.
so i would be cold turkey for week 13 ?
I am sorry there was a typo I meant weeks 14-18 for the clomid. But no you wait 2 weeks after your last inj to start pct
hey bro, standard 1st cycle is 10-12 week 500mg test (e or c) the reasoning behind this is:
1. if symptoms arise, with a single compound we know where they came from (hence we know how to treat them.)
2. you (should) get outstanding results with test only on a 1st cycle (as long as diet and training are spot on)
Save the sauce (multi-esters) and the multiple compounds for later cycles. slow and easy wins the race bro
my .02
The simpler the better for me.
Sorry if i'm coming across stupid but Sustanon is a multi-ester isn't it so what are the 'e or c' to use instead?
NO stupid questions bro! testosterone cypionate, testosterone enanthate are merely long (single) ester tests (do a little research, it will help u greatly in the long run) : )
great am trying to figure out now what the pro's and con's are of each and if one is better than the other..
really not that much of a difference (for ur purposes) in fact most would say interchangeable
From what I've read, deca is
1) Not the greatest idea for 1st cycles since you still don't know how test will affect you, i.e., you won't be able to tell if any bad side effects are from test or deca
2) Needs to be run around 12 weeks for best results
FYI: I'm on my first cycle, but I'm sure some vets will come around soon
vets? sorry I'm not down with all the lingo yet...