+ 1 Finding your tren sweet spot
I've been running Tren A at least once a year for the past 5+ years. I used it long before I should have. Throughout this time I've learned a lot about how my body responds to this powerful compound. Most recently (NOW) I'm running tren from a batch I whipped up along side 500mg test e and 500mg test cyp per week. I'm a little over 3 weeks in on the tren and I've been tweaking the dose. I'm one of those guys who can never sleep on it , sweat profusely , get extremely irritable and intolerant. Normally I'm pretty laid back but tren brings out a little nasty in me. So I made a 160mg/ml batch of tren. I only use my own. Nothing against any labs out there but I get to control the potency and I know exactly what I'm getting. I started at 100mg ED the first few days. I've done this without issue in the past. That dose seemed to be a little much for me right now. I'm not sure why. Maybe the test dose had something to do with it. Maybe other factors. Not sure. I tweaked it and started running 160mg EOD. That killed me. I guess 160 at one time is too much even if it's eod. I couldn't get a wink of sleep. I was getting horrible headaches. I was moody. Constantly hot. I know for sure my BP was way too high. At the same time the strength gains started coming on. Strength gains from tren are different than any other compound IMO. For me it's like there's nothing I can't lift. I just keep adding weight and it still feels like empty boxes. I didn't want to disturb my strength gains but couldn't live with the side effects either. So I dropped the dose down to 80mg ED. It's been about a week and the headaches are gone. I'm actually getting sleep. I still sweat like a pig but that's no problem. My mood seems to be ok. My energy is ok (I cleaned up my diet and went from a dirty bulk to a very clean 4,000cal daily spread across 5 meals). The strength gains are still coming. I have decided I'm abandoning cardio just during this run to take full advantage of the increase in strength. Things seem to be evening out. So if things continue on I believe I may have found the sweet spot. I have no interest in gettin sexual side effects so I will continue to run 750-1000mg test weekly. I'm curious about other advanced users opinions on tren and what dose does the job while keeping sides away.
I do not condone the use of tren to the beginner, the novice user
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RustyhookerHere's the spot to learn and ask questions! !
Sweet spot for me was 75ed tren and prop 75 ed , did wonderful , only side sweats my pic is posted and my patients were 0
I learned alot since this last cycle , ok I raised my tren (A) a little but prop im running a little above cruise , for good reason and cut sides in half , ive posted on this
I'm currently on a Tren cycle. I've been running my test between 300-450mg & Tren @ 800mg a week I've noticed little to no sides with my Test being lowered. Ran Tren once before with the Test much higher for about 3 weeks and Night Sweats & Insomnia was through the roof. The only thing I noticed which stayed the same is my Temper. I get extremely irritated or pissed off at the simplest things. Gains also seem to be a little cleaner with the Tren higher than the Test. It's week 2 going on 3 for me. Strength has gone up but nothing crazy yet. I'll stick with this dosage and maybe mid way through I'll adjust the Test again to see what happens.
Good fucking post. I think I'll start at 75mg my self.
I think doses can vary per individual. I work with alot of guys right now using small amounts of TREN like 30-40mg daily and getting exceptional results with no side effects.
I agree. At the time (3-4 years ago) I had just begun cycling in the traditional sense. I was an athlete prior to joining eeoids and my method of cycling was a lot different than anything most of the ppl here have ever seen. But Tren can not only be effective in low doses but if you're experienced enough, it can be extremely effective without testosterone! Ooooooooowwwhhhh! I saaaaaiiiid Tren no test! Someone gona tell on me. Ooooooohhhhh! Blasphemy!
I starting to believe the same about Tren alone. I've noticed every time I take Test with Tren, high or low doses, I get extreme side affects. If I run Tren with high doses of Test my bp shoots up, hypertension headaches, bloat but when I cycle Tren with a low dose of Test I get estrogen related sides. I'm talking sever gyno, not puffy nips from prolactin, I mean lumps that grow faster than shrooms and I have to take 2.5mg of letro with caber everyday while running Tren with LOW test. And I can run up to 1500mg of test WITH DBOL and never have gyno problem. To me it seems that Tren increases or magnifies the sides of other steroids. So for me, the best answer to the problem is to take Test out of the equation and run Tren alone.
Well nitti, you just made my tea come out my nose. Hats off to you from that one.
On a more important note, how did you feel on such a blasphemous cycle?
I would whole heartedly agree with you.
tren ace will kill all your naturl test - always run at least a trt dose with tren and most people will need slightly more -tren is the most powerfull steroid on the market - and people play a dangerous game of not wanting to feel any sides by not running test along side - better some sides than real damage
I like going back in time to reexamine my progress. And damn what ever happened to detailed descriptions of cycles and reviews like the way we used to? Fuck!
Nitti great fucken post bro, some day I may give it a whirl at low dose but for now I'm hitting targets with big test and mod eq even at 42 years old. Ha, the cycle logs and attention to detail has gone in the toilet. I have a hard time getting a fucken meal plan out of some of these guys begging for help because they arn't getting shit out of monster stacks, even with bloods as my barometer for them they still don't want to put the work in.
I had all the same sides you mentioned it wasn't until i lowered my test down to 250 wk did the sides subside.. I was able to keep my trend at 500 -600wk.
I hear a lot of people talking about more tren than test. It definitely interests me. I might have to try it next time. But I get all quality gains even at high test doses. Not sure if I should play with what works but might have to try
I agree . If it ain't broke don't fix it.
DarksideSixStarted out at Test prop 350wk and Tren ace at 600wk. About 3 weeks in i bumped the Tren down to 525wk
I'm 6 weeks in right now, gonna run them both 12wks.
DarksideSixI find that right around the 500mg per week mark is my sweet spot. Started out my current cycle at 600wk but knocked it down to 525 cause it was a little much. I normaly don't get too many sides on Tren aside from some crazy dreams but I did start to get some night sweats and just started to feel saturated. knocked it down to 150 EOD and it's pure fire! I love tren!
I have learned (for me) the best way to cycle tren (I'm an (a) guy) is 3wksON/2wksOFF/3wksON. Its usuallly in the 4th week that I start to SNAP and this rotation in cycle has been very effective (for me)
That's crazy. It produced a noticeable change in personality for me in week 1. So much so that my wife commented on it right away. 4 weeks later though, and I can no longer tell I'm on tren. The only remaining side effects are massively increased libido, huge strength increase, and a slight bit of insomnia. I never sleep well anyways so it's hard to tell how much the tren is contributing. But it didn't change my bp, make me crazy, or anything bad you hear about tren. I don't think I'll ever run it more than a month or two at a time though, as it's just too harsh on your liver.
Interesting that you say that. A lot of ppl complain of Deca dick while on 19nor's. I never have that problem. First time I ever ran tren I ran it alone. I had an incredible libido. Still do. I could easily do the "more tren than test" for better gains. Maybe I'll do that next time. I'm really interested in the 3-4 weeks on and 4 off. You guys run just your test in between or jump on another compound in the tren off time?
My girl left me last summer while I was on the shit bro. I didn't really notice either... Until I came off ((LOL))
I'm kind of an ass anyway so it doesn't take much of a push to be a full on asshole ((LOL))
Interesting. Are you a blast and cruise guy? What dosage do you find is your "sweet spot"?
I think you told me 100mg/daily but I'm a burn out bro. I can't remember. Lol
Yeah I cruise (I'm old) LOL
its compound/season dependent... if im running straight prop/tren for a summer blast I'll only run 50ed to minimize sweats... running a winter cycle with long esters then I'll push 100ED... If I'm running multiple compounds I will run 50ED... also with tren a its easy to make adjustments (if/when necessary necessary)
Good info. Thanks! I'm not quite at the blast cruise phase of my life yet but I'm close. I'll remember this
I've been looking into it a lot since grrrrl brought it up to me. I'm interested for sure. I believe it's more tren than test but not just tren alone.
Good read Nitti
Thanks Dave!
I personally have never ran Tren before. All I keep hearing is "dont use it until youve done other AA's for at least 5 cycles or more.
Then I just came across some fellas who've done Tren with their 1st cycle and 2nd cycles with no problems at all (thats what they said).
Now Im just wondering, why shouldnt you do a Tren cycle if you're under 30?
Mistaspinn I can't stop fuckin laughing at your avi. That's too funny
TxBigBoyHe's basically just using those figures as a guideline, because typically people under those figures don't have the experience to use such a power and harmful substance. It's just his and many peoples personal opinion, but if you feel you have the knowledge to do it then you don't need to come on here and ask for advice because all you will get is a negative response. It's also looked at as well if your ready to use a compound like tren then you shouldn't really be asking simple questions about it like what your cycle should look like or how many mg's you should take.
Tx is exactly right!
Aight TxBigBoy!!! Its funny how newbs go to the gym for a month and decide to go the steroids way without even knowing what they're getting themselves into - asking funny questions without doing extensive research on different roids. I guess everybody just wants to get BIG and the stronger the compound, thats what they wanna go for.
A few years ago, I came across a stash of the old Animal Stack which had prohormones in it. I took the damn thing without really reading the ingredients on it until my hair started thinning out slightly and my balls shrunk to almost pea size! Thats when I read the damn tub and found a prohormone ingredient. After that, I've been doing maard research on everything I put into my body.
Hahahah thats the name of the game brother RESEARCH if none of us do that we are all fucking doomed lol.
Thats because they are fucking bone lazy and want the easy route,in the long run most will FAIL.
Exactly!! right on the money comments TX tren men shouldnt need to ask! reason we dont bring tren into too many cycle posts is that most noobs dont read they just glance and think ok i will do that! then we have 100s of 17yr olds on the tren train fucking themselves up for the rest of thier lives.
It is an advanced compound and should be treat that way,brilliant gains can be made by using basic test/deca test /eq cycles many many times before tren is even considered,many on here are recreational users so thats another reason tren talk is locked in the back room. Thumbs up bro.:)
3yrs ago i said that and i still stand by that statement.... i would +3 myself if i could lol
TxBigBoyThanks brother