posted Sun, 01/19/2014 - 22:33
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EQ vs DECA???
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Starting a cycle soon fellas an can't frickin decide to.run EQ or DECA with test... Would. Love some.advice an would really appreciate the advice of those.who.have tried.both I've only tried EQ But my.buddy swears by DECA... Also what's a good oral or.injectable to.take.to.counteract the bloating an water weight you put on with these compounds an does anyone have a prefered ester they use with these???
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GO_BIG19Hey have guys heard of.proviron??? This.seems.to work awesome.with water retention an bloating an especially keeping your estro levels low an sounds.like.it magnifies the.effects wen u stack.with test an also helps with the deca dick!!! Tons.of benefits think ill.run that with my.cycle...check.out this.forum though http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/10-proviron-all...
Goodbye Troll!
RustyhookerQuit throwin BS on this board. It only hurts you in the long run. This mentality of using way to many compounds with no real prior gear use is BS dangerous business.
And your math isn't flying either.
I have experience with both and i can guide you without BS.. but put up some stats your post should always starts as...
im 2x, 2xxlbs, 5'x, x years of training,x cycles of tesx, x, and x...
then you can get help..
AnonThank you! That's all I wanted to get out of him before we start sharing stories about how AI's are unnecessary for certain people leading one to believe that they to can go in unprepared or simply correct bloat by adding in an oral or injectable.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkGO_BIG19Thank.you so.much!! I thought ppl just look at your stats on your.profile bud... I'm 27, 6'0, 220lb, this will be my 6th cycle.haven't done.one in over a year though, been training on an off for.4 years more on then off though.... I'm gonna run test prop wk 1-4, test e wk 1-18, an gonna do oral anivar or winny, an like I said debating on doing EQ or DECA.. if I didn't give enough Ingo lemme know.bud I really appreciate u lookin past the fact I'm new on here an just wanna help the new guy lol..... I really really appreciate u taking.the time.outta your to.share your wisdom an knowledge..
Not buying it!
DO THE MATH FELLAS!
AnonX2
hey bro, im assuming you are going to be bulking, when you are bulking with deca expect a limp dick if your doses go over 750mg wk. expect a lot of water gain that will be lost 2-3wks after you get off, your joints will feel great, you will gain a lot of strength. the bloat can be controlled by low sodium, you will need caber or prami to combat prolactin sides.. deca will put more weight on you then EQ...
For lean gains go with EQ i love it, you will look solid the whole time if your diet is in check and it should be . you will look better on EQ, your gains will be less but, with little water retention, strength gains will be similar to deca, no prolactin sides to worry about. eq doesn't shut you down as hard as deca . overall i think if you are lean go with deca, if you are on the fat side above 12% go with EQ..
GO_BIG19Thank.u so.damn much man!!! Shit.that's all.I fucken wanted from.some one is just sum experienced advice not a buncha grief an bullshit about Wat I'm.doing an blah blag blah... I mean I get an all safety an shit which I promise I.do shit.tons of research but research an peoples experience an opinions are 2 different things... So with that being said u think the strength.gains u got off DECA an EQ are about the same??? Cuz.that's mainly what I'm after is.whatever gets the best strength gains cuz I'm training.for my inner city football league that starts in march (no.I don't get tested)
IN HINDSIGHT I SHOULD HAVE TOOK YOU OUT HERE FUCKER!***
what position? i played in HS, deca will give you more strength then EQ, var & winny are not good for strength,.. winny will make your joints dry..
GO_BIG19I play middle linebacker and DE mainly MLB though, if u still like to play look up inner city football leagues in your area I bet u got em man its a fuckin blast!!! an thank.u ill.go with var I was gonna.any ways.cuz its cleaner then winny... An I really wanna try deca but shit after hearin Wat all these guys are.sayin maybe i ain't ready lol I stil respect their.advice.even.though I'm gettin bashed lol.. an.if.u don't mind had a few questions I'd like.to pm u about if that's cool..
"deca will give you more strength then EQ"
I don't know if I would agree with that one. On a milligram to milligram basis I would have to say yes. But if you take a moderate dosage of each say 400 mg of Deca vs 1000 mg of EQ I would have to say not true.
Don't forget the combo testosterone and EQ are a longtime powerlifting favorite from back in the day.
I am not knocking Deca nor its ability to impart strength just want to make sure people don't underestimate EQ.
If thats your worry i suggest you dont use anything and stay natural...... with that attitude your gonna be looking at jacking more and more compounds into your system to counteract everything you are trying to create??????????????
AnonThank you! Totally the wrong mindset to go in with but apparently some disagree as I was torn apart for simply trying to set him straight as to the fact that we don't just add more compounds in to counteract everything
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkGO_BIG19I've been.told winny.counteracts that well as well.as turnadex and.water retention.pills was just seeing.if.anyone.knew.of.anything.else.that I.haven't heard of.should have worded.it.better.sorry
Well homkie if you've done your homework you wouldda know that Eq is for lean mass and very slow and Nandrolone long ester(Deca) is for bulking and it will bloat you, and you control it with an AI & with proper diet ex. Low sodium...
I personaly never tried Deca but i've tried NPP as of right now with good results... Please read and dont just let your bros tell yiu what cycle to go for, we not all react the same to all compounds and this is no one size fits all, keep your shit simple and less complicated, obviously to judge by yiur question you have to do lots of reading
GO_BIG19Yah I know.ive.done EQ befotean as.I.said.in.my earlier comments.I was looking too EQ or DECA to help my joints I.have a bad AC joint.in.my.shoulder.. I was just curious to.see Wat ppl.thought on deca cuz.I've.never tried.it...
I never tried Deca but many people tell me that your joints will hurt more after you discontinue it.
GO_BIG19Yah I've read an heard so many different things that's one if the reasons that I asked this question definately didn't mean to cause this shit storm.lol!!!
Marcel1229For Deca, you'd be begging for a Viagra! Srsly, was at the club grinding on girls, and it was hard as shit to get a boner, was a good thing my friend had some Viagra in the car, so I took some(empty stomach) and waited like 30 minutes, I was literally humping a chick instead of grinding lmfao, but I was drunk also(was puking too)
It depends id say. I take test e 500 and deca 200 and im fucking as a rabbit. If too much deca than sure Willie will go limp but least for me, with the above, I just hit my girl 3 times with literally couple of minutes rest and I'm 32
then again I've always had like crazy crazy sex drive
out of curiosity how much deca and test were you taking?
also I see ur 22 yo. Pretty young age for Viagra.
RustyhookerWhy's ANYONE answering ANYTHIN?
You see STATS N PRIORS?
AnonX2...what did I do when you called me out and told me to research when I made an ass comment on here almost 2 yrs ago? Messaged you and started from scratch and asked a shit ton of questions and researched. Just bc you say post stats and history doesn't make it cookie cutter as "Details" apparently thinks so down below after going off on me for trying to sway him from making public comments to suggest that an AI isn't necessary for all newbies to have on hand and include in all of their beginning cycles. So what if their not high estro proned, it still raises IGF levels and free test...grrrr!!! How you been anyways ol man...hahah!!
GO_BIG19Thanks you very much DETAIL!!! Jeez was that so.hard ppl??? Yes I know what an AI is... All I wanted to know is.what ppl.preferred an if they knew anything that I didn't know already about counteracting bloating an water retention that u get with these copounds... Ive used turnidex in the past before that worked well... An I use EQ to help my joints an know that Decca can offer the same benefits as far as joints go all I wanted to know was peoples opinions on what they prefer an why on the subject at hand an again thank u very much DETAILS for.doing.that for me without giving me.non answers!!!!
GearofWarAnd again..There are no injectables that will counter "bloat" except perhaps Mast if you run it for its AI properties but DO NOT add Mast because that's for ADVANCED users not the guys that don't know the differences between what Eq and Deca do..Back to the drawing board my brother. AGE, STATS, CYCLE HISTORY, GOALS please. And for gods sake if you don't even know what an AI is please don't go jabbing yourself full of anything other than B12 at this point. You guys have no fucking idea how harmful this stuff can be if done improperly. It's damn hard to watch the young guys destroy themselves because the media says that you need to look a certain way to be successful and happy. BE SAFE!
"DO NOT add Mast because that's for ADVANCED users not the guys that don't know the differences between what Eq and Deca "
I think everyone should understand the compounds that they put into their body. Having said that Mast is a great compound with a lot less potential for problems then Deca especially in a cycle that involves testosterone. So I wouldn't say it's for advanced users, As a matter of fact I would suggest a newbie dabble in Mast before they even touched Deca.
GearofWarI suggested novice users not use Mast as an AI, as that is an advanced concept that shouldn't be considered by anyone who doesn't know the differentiating qualities between a 19nor(Deca) and Eq being a double bond different than Test. We advocate education and safety. Don't you feel it the least but irresponsible to tell people that clearly uneducated to "dabble in Mast"? I do. I agree with you on some things but I can't see eye to eye on giving someone the okay to dabble in anything other than Test on a first to 2nd cycle. All you need do is read some of the newer comments about nonchalantly adding a "little Tren at the end if my cycle" and so on. Have fun guys, I'm done here.
GO_BIG19For.fuck.sakes.don't.take.everything.so literal by little tren I meant the last halfof.my.cycle.man... I've ran tren Before on my last 2 of my 5 cycles... All u guys almost make it discouraging to even ask.for.advice.... I didnt have time to givie u every little detail of.what im.doing or what I.done.in the past an your.right I don't.know.near as.much about masteron as I do.deca.or.EQ... So tell me.this.expert gear user other then doing.a shit ton.of research on a.new.compound.that u r looking.to add.to.a.stack.or try out when what else would.be the.best.route to.go.on trying.something.new.other.then.trying.it an researching.it??
First of all I never suggested using Mast as an AI. That concept doesn't even work and I will be writing an article to that fact eventually. As some recall, I ruffled a few feathers in the beginning with that claim. Now that the community knows me better and knows that I am not looking to instigate anything but just share knowledge I am going to revisit that subject.
Now back to my original point. You need to be way more advanced to run Deca then Masteron.
You looking at this from a point of view of bodybuilding I look at it from a point of view of performance enhancement as i deal with a whole slew of different athletes, not all of which are looking to put on pounds and pounds of muscle.
"Don't you feel it the least but irresponsible to tell people that clearly uneducated to "dabble in Mast"? "
I never advocate dabbling in anything if you've read any of my posts. I always advocate education and knowledge of compounds one puts in their body.
And although most people do well on testosterone only cycles for their first few, but again this applies towards powerlifting and bodybuilding. There is so many more individuals that are not powerlifters and bodybuilders that are looking for these compounds for either therapeutic or performance benefits that have totally different goals needs requirements and health considerations than bodybuilders and powerlifters.
GO_BIG19Thanks WHYNOT... Hhmmm masteron huh.... I was actually wanting to.try that cuz it doesn't aromatize an u get great mass gains... Have u ran that with EQ.before??? Cuz.if.that stacks.well.I might.go.with.that cuz I know masteron.stacks.well.with tren an you can use a.lot less tren to.get desired.effects and I wanted to.run.a lil tren.at end.of.cycle but if.I went with DECA I.wouldn't.be able.to.do.that...
I am not recommending that you run Masteron. My comments weren't even geared towards you but towards another member. My point was you need to be a lot more advanced to run Deca than you do Masteron. Your situation is completely different and I apologize if you thought my comments were geared towards you.
AnonNeed more info boss...how many cycles have you run and what compounds. By your question of how to counteract bloat by throwing another compound in the mix leads me to believe you need to do more research on diet and how lack there of determines more of the bloat you speak of.
im running eq and deca right now and its given me some good volume and strength. they say that if you take an AI that bloat will be minimal but i am going to have to disagree, my face is a lot puffier on this shit, even with a clean diet and an AI. as far as preferred esters i am running all long acting esters.
AnonYou speak of an AI as though you have a choice? Do you know about prolactin at all?
No I speak of taking an AI as an option to mitigate bloat which the original poster was seeking advice on, in which proved unsuccessful during personal use.
You speak of taking an AI as something that is a concrete way of running a cycle, something that has to be implemented 100% of the time "or else". Are you aware that not everyone is estrogen/prolactin sensitive and doesn't suffer side effects from running testosterone, DHT's, or 19nors? Just because you develop bitch tits, start lactating, and your little dink can't get up anymore, does not mean that will be the case for everyone. I've ran tren and I've run deca, and never had the need to rely on a dopamine agonist to "fix me". By no means am I suggesting to not be prepared, I'm not saying I don't carry ancillary medication on hand either -- I'm saying I know my body and know what drugs I do and do not need.
How about instead of spewing off the same cookie cutter bullshit you answer this guys question and use your own personal experience to guide your answer instead of coming here riding in on your high horse trying to flame me for contributing, as if I'm some newb ass bitch.
GO_BIG19Hahah your a fuckin bad ass details!!! ... Goliath is right to a point though I shoulda put stats up i can see how my question came off as I.didn't know.much, I.guess I just gotta put down to.the very last detail of what I'm trying.to accomplish I coulda refraised the question as which one seems to helps your.joints more an.gives you better strength gains or sumthin like an as far as bloating an water retention question I was just wanting to see if.anyone had any knowledge on something else thato haven't read up on or heard... Sorry if I offended anyone ill try harder to put more details in my forum questions an follow the guidlines better in the future....
AnonActually he said what oral or injectable should I use to minimize bloat, so he wasn't even talkig specifically about an AI at all from what I can see. You completely blew up in the wrong direction from my comment to you boss and I apologize if you took it that way. My concern is, he doesn't seem very experienced to begin with so downplaying an AI IMO is not a good idea with a newb. I am fully aware people have no issues with estro and/or prolactin however for him to ask to be spoon fed with no stats and background posted at least at the time I made the comment concerns me
Heck .. I remember back in the late 80's when I competed quite a bit we used nothing but Test, Deca, and Dbol. We'd drop the Dbol and just diet/cardio away the fat (prior to the competition) while still on test and Deca. We never had any problems not using AI's, etc ...
I do things much differently now of course. As competing in BB'ing and PL'ing at a Master's (+) level the body reacts a little differently than when in my 20's. Despite those early days way of doing things my body is just fine. I may be an old buck but I still have a stiff horn! All of my shi'ite stil works just fine! ;-)
Well stated! I think some people forget that those who are first starting off using gear and ask such questions (as did this original poster) are going to use it anyway - regardless of those who post "non-answers." Back when I first began using gear many years ago I would have much more appreciated some constructive advice - and - an answer to my question(s). This forum is premised upon assisting and helping "gear users" of all levels. So, thank you for being professional and trying to help this guy! Good to see brother! Peace ...
AnonI agree partially with you that guys will do it regardless, but too often on here and in the real world guys will only take the cycle advice with dosages and compounds and run away and shoot up and dismiss the guts of what is needed to know for this cycle and those to come. I didn't give him a non answer, I simply wanted to correct his thought process that he could just add more shit in to cut bloat rather than just fine tune his diet