+ 7 EQ and keeping gains
I know a lot of folks on here aren't big fans of EQ, and I can understand why. It doesn't have the immediate bang that other compounds do, it creeps up slowly. Sure we all know about the appetite stimulation, the vascularity it gives, a "hard finish" etc. What I don't think people always realise is because those gains are slower to build, it can also be easier to hold on to.
I'm now 8 weeks post PCT after a Test / EQ run that had 8 weeks of tren ace at the beginning. No stupid doses, nice easy going cycle. I've come out about 5lbs up and nearly 2% lower in body fat which at my stage / size /age is a nice yield. The interesting part is that I've lost basically nothing since the end of the cycle. I've been on holiday, so obviously came back with a couple of extra pounds of fat, but in terms of lean body mass I'm still where I was when I finished the cycle, actually about 1lb up! (As a side note, don't do an 11 hour flight when your 265lbs, it's not great. My shoulder was half way across the aisle). I must stress my diet and training have continued to be on the money during and after PCT.
I've always believed the quicker the gains arrive, the harder they are to hold onto. I've little or no interest in adding 10lbs, half of which is water, only to lose most of it after cycle. I did plenty of this type of cycling in my younger years, gain 20, lost 15 gain 15, lose 12 etc.
Viking and I refer to it as "the thinking mans steroid" as with a smart diet, dialled in training program and carb manipulation it can make some amazing transformations. Often it's a compound that is just misunderstood IMO. Some food for thought. Interested to hear others opinions / experiences with holding onto gains made from EQ.
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im liking EQ right now. im only just getting to 9 weeks on it so I know its not even in full effect yet. my vascularity is insane already, endurance is very high, i know my hemocrit is up, when i cut myself at work on some steel or something the blood is RED, like really really red. and pours out. the only thing thats a negative for me right now is that yes, it makes your hungrier than a fat girl at a pie convention and when cutting that can be in issue. but one thing i can say is, EQ has to be run at a High dose for long periods. im taking 1g+ / week. next time i use it ill run it at 1.5g for 16-18 weeks. ..i had an idea for a later cycle (once advanced enough) to use the same protocol Paul Dillet allegedly implemented combined with a GH15 protocol.
low dose test e 250mg/week for 20+ weeks
high dose EQ 1500mg/week for 18+ weeks
high dose tren 5weeks on 5 weeks off 350-525mg/week
blast TNE + Dbol inj. between Tren blasts injecting into weaker bodyparts
unorthodox cycle i know but would be interesting to try. everyone who runs high dose tren and EQ, low dose test says its one of the best cycles theyve ever run
I have a hard time controlling my diet on EQ because it makes me so hungry and if I don't eat I'm a raging monster and I eat and eat and eat and can't stop!
RustyhookerAnavar for me kills appetite, strength boost and hardens muscles
For some reason I notice very little from eq. My buddy was running eq same time as me and he noticed good results. I respond very well to most aas but next time I will use top brand eq like somebody recommended me. Maybe purity was no good.
RustyhookerPost your cycle and diet plans in a forum. List priors and goals. I love eq.
Thats what everybody is saying here about eq bro, making doubt the purity of eq i used.
RustyhookerPost a proposed cycle. My first run with eq was only 400 a week. Blew up! Low quality at 600 was ok.
You above have stated my next planned cycle
I like mixing bold cyp and eq in the same pin. This works better for me on many levels. The eq negates any possible pip from the cyp. Anyone who has ever ran cyp knows this is the truth. The shorter ester kicks in faster, so effects can be felt much sooner and amplifies any results expected from your cycle. I run them 1:1 twice a week. I have always been a huge fan of bold, especially since experimenting with the cyp ester. Give it a try, I hope this helps.
REAL stats in profile mate or decline from posting in the forums.
Will do
Thank you brother :))
I know some others that have used that trick, apparently works well. Have to admit ehen I used bold cyp I didn't really get any pip personally. Appears I'm in the minority though!!!!
Question- how is EQ on blood pressure for those of us with that issue. Ive thought of tinkering with this compound but im careful to choose things working around blood pressure and other things.
It depends on your stats. Add them to your profile and also here so we can tell you about it.
questionable relevance, but i'm 6'0" 200 >40 y/o body fat 12-13%?
RustyhookerDont argue relevance on here. We get enough trolls that argue right to a ban. Were here HELPING FOR FREE!!!!
It sounds irrelevant; but keeps me from giving advice to someone MUCH younger.
Anyways at high doses (over 500mg a week) it thickens your blood due to the increase in RBC so you really have to watch your BP. When I was 8 weeks in my Blood pressure was incredibly high; borderline hypertension, When I cut myself I noticed my blood was very "profound." It's always noted to give blood once a month to thin it out from what I have heard. I stay under 500 to keep myself safe as I have high blood pressure without being on.
ok so its sounds like one i would want to avoid.
What can say that i havnt already said about EQ.. i just love the stuff!...... i just sat back for a moment thinking about some of the results i have had from different EQ runs with slightly different diets dialled in, if i run a normal high carb type bulking diet i can get better results than Deca (harder + vascular)if i run with higher protein ratio i can get a Primobolan type finish at a third of the cost...... i am very vascular and big veined most of the time but EQ gives me a freaky veiny look that no amount of tren ace can bring me ever!............. in fact this post as just got me to thinking about bringing the EQ out because i am only running test at the moment and if i customise the diet slightly i can cut with a test/EQ stack... i have some vet grade stuff hidden somewhere lemme go find it lol
I refuse to list cycles or MGs anymore on eroids due to our pubescent members but the ratio will be 2.1 EQ/Test or the EQ magic will be clouded in the latter weeks.
I fucking love EQ... If I could finfd a way to eat it I would, maybe squirt some some on a slab of salmon... Ha Ha. I do love the shit, first time I ran it I thought it was shit, then got educated and ran it 2/1 for 14weeks, and BOOOOOM ! I was hooked.
Still haven't got that AVI. If you want to use the ghost man at least use a cool. Here I've made it easy on you. Use this.
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d4/45/20/d4452035f501e05adf90c63a...)
LoL. I got one not as cool as yours.
if they knew how to run it properly they would all love it bro........... its like sustanon! fkers hate it but i love it because i know how/when/how much to pin etc to hit my goals bro
Welcome to Lvl1............ deserved bro........ :))
Thanks man!
Great post brother. I hear you on the gain 20 lose 10 etc etc., i would rather not gain a bunch of water just to lose it at the end. I am yet to run eq but it's a very interesting compound. Seems to produce very dry lean gains if ran for the correct period of time. I have been thinking about lately about the effects it has on appetite so maybe you can answer my question. I already have everything set for my next bulk In the winter so won't be using eq this year. It's gonna be 10 weeks npp and test p. just finished the same cycle a month ago and loved it. What do you think the lowest dose of eq that would help increase appetite? The bigger I am the more good it takes to gain, especially with my metabolism and being 220lbs. It was hard enough at 185. So thinking about it not in terms of muscle bulding but just to increase appetite for my next cycle. Would a low dose say 200mgs help? I would probably use a faster ester like cyp or acetate because my cylces only gonna be 10 weeks. I know it would probably be best to not add more drugs but being able to chow down over 5000 cals with out feeling like in gonna puke all the time sounds very appealing.
Great post my friend! In todays instant society it is nice to hear the good side of slow and steady with diet on point yielding god solid results at moderate doses.
Im gonna agree with you. Ive seen a few friends first hand accomplish some solid gains in terms of size and strength from EQ. For a lot of people who lack an appetite it is a game changer. From what Ive seen around week 10 is when the gains creep up into full effect.
Unfortunately Ive only ran EQ up to 6 weeks, was just starting to enjoy it but my H/H levels became of concern so I had to abort.
On another note Catalyst, Im trying to put my finger on your old screenname ..... it rhyme with tank?
I think there's more to this than just the compound. If u run EQ out a full 5 months, that's quite a bit of dieting and training as well - much more so than with shorter cycles with more "aggressive" chemicals. On that basis alone, the gains seem to be more lasting and for sure you don't get the watery mess that a number of other stacks produce. I've gained a solid 10lbs on a 20 week run and been able to hold it which for me is quite a success. I definitely prefer it to deca.
The length of the cycle etc is surely a big part of it.
My last cycle was a test /EQ bulker and I didn't really lose much even strength was still pretty good. Solid 12lb weight gain which I kept until I had a very nasty case of food poisoning. The biggest thing about EQ for me was it brought more shape to muscles
I'm finishing up an EQ cycle; The solid gains I made were pretty good. It nearly took away the puffy muscles I had and helped me lean out a bit in areas. I lost a half inch on my arms and shoulders but it was definitely fatty tissue because the muscles are very hard instead of spongy like they were before and I have veins now that I never knew I had.. I will be putting this back on the table at the end of this year for a solid bulker; this time I will go up to 500 instead of 400 a week.
That sounds like the EQ effect that I get.
It did teach me a lesson; Diet is the biggest factor of how well it works; ie carbs and protein intake. On my cheat days; the next day I feel like no motivation to do anything in the gym. If I take in too many fats as well I lose power and endurance.So what I did was on cheat days I upped the carbs instead of fats and dropped the protein intake to 80% of normal and it helped balance it out.
RustyhookerOn the eq currently. Patience has its rewards. Relearn the added or tweaked eating so gains are kept. Not racing the 12week "clock". More time to dial everything it to fit that cycle. As we age, our bodies change and sometimes that results in food and gym changes.
Absolutely mate. Always found on EQ runs the gains seem more "permanent". I think the fact that the appetite stimulation lasts into PCT no doubt helps, but I'm a big believer in the slow and steady yields more long term. Does for me at least ;)